Alpha Werewolf SIGNUP

Lets try and make this one just as big. Start date in a weekish?

Roles

Alpha Werewolf: Each night, starting n0, you recruit someone to your team. This changes their role from villager to wolf, and they gain access to the den. If the alpha dies, the wolves nightkill like normal.

Wolf: Just an ordinary wolf.

Angel: Protect once a night, prevents recruits and kills. May target self, may repeat targets. If the Alpha attempts to recruit the angel, both will die.

Vigilante: If the alpha attempts to recruit, both will die.

Seer: Checks roles, alpha looks like a regular wolf. MAY be recruited.

http://i.imgur.com/25tUrzx.gif

In like Flinn

man i cant imagine the village has >10% equity in this format. will be fun

looks like the angel should never target self since if the alpha targets him they both die regardless.

im guessing "attempts to recruit" means the alpha just targeted the player, that the angel can't block an attempt in the case of himself and the vig.

If angel protects vig, and alpha recruits vig, nothing happens.

Also, the village has won a bunch of these in past ww games. Even with like 30 player starts.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Also, the village has won a bunch of these in past ww games. Even with like 30 player starts.

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how? do they get lucky by hitting the alpha early?

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nice, keith

im in

one thing i thought of, and it shouldnt apply to this game but maybe in future, more vanillish games. what if we were allowed to PM the mod and request to be wolf? they would not have to grant the request but the mods wouldnt necessarily be bound to making "random" wolf pics

it would affect the meta and make it more likely we dont have poor wolves. of course some number of the wolves would have to be randomized so everyone would be in the wolf range. after thinking about it some, i think it wouldnt hurt

next game I mod, i will listen to private requests for wolfmanship

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

how? do they get lucky by hitting the alpha early?

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They can sniff him out, special him out, or the alpha can fuck up and try to nom a special. I think we'll be surprised how the game goes.

@Gabe : some past games, it seems like the first wolf was chosen randomly, and the rest were picked by thay one. We could certainly have something like this...and even have that guy know who wants to be a wolf.

I'm a little worried about the other scenario tho, where someone says he adamantly doesn't want to wolf. Like rilla. If we knew a player was always a villager, it's gonna alter balance sognificsntly.

I'm gonna try and find a worse "in" gif than wuf's. I might be some time.

gabe, that idea is fucking horrible, and you should know why. I'm very surprised you'd allow a non-random element into games.

jkds that is interesting to think about. obv its up to whoever is modding a game but im going to encourage people to be open to wolf requests


ong, get a job

PLEASE give rilla the alpha wolf role

if i get alpha wolf im recruiting him

What the fuck do I want a job for?

To be clear, any game in which the mod does not randomise the entire player list and stick with the 1st roll, count me out please.

gabe, it's a horrible idea because a critical part of the game is that from a probability point of view, any two people are equally as likely to be wolves. If we start saying that people can request wolf and it's up to the mod, then we start to bring in non random factors into the game. I was wolf this game, it stands to reason that I probably want to be villager next game. That alone can effect a lynch... maybe I survive because I'm less likely to ask the mod if I can be wolf.

It has to be random, that's the whole point.

Imagine if I was playing poker, and I could ask the dealer if I could flop a set, and his was basically his choice.

I mean cmon gabe, really?

There are draft formats which are balanced and look fun.

It goes something like:
Everyone send the mod a PM with 2 numbers and a request for a player to have a certain role.
The first number is the important one.
The second number is to break ties.
The request can not be a role for yourself.

The lowest non-repeated number goes first, then the next non-repeated number.

Then it starts over with the lowest pair of numbers going next, with the lowest tie-breaker being first of the pair.

E.g.
BID, ong, wuf, and gabe are in the game
BID - 1 1 ong is wolf
ong - 2 1 wuf is vig
wuf - 3 2 ong is vig
gabe - 2 2 BID is seer

The order would go
BID is first, because he is the only person who submitted the number 1
wuf is next, because 3 is the next lowest non-repeated number
ong is next because both he and gabe submitted 2, and ong's tie-breaker is lower
gabe is last because both he and ong submitted 2, and gabe's tie-breaker is higher

How the mod deals with these requests is usually pre-determined as per which/how many of each role are possible.

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The variation is limitless. The point is that there are fair and randomized ways to do a draft.

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This is not an IN.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I'm gonna try and find a worse "in" gif than wuf's. I might be some time.

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clearly your lack of joffrey is devastating

I'm so pleased with myself. I looked up Joffrey expecting it to be some dumbass Harry Potter character, and it's actually some twat from GoT. I'm so happy to be clueless about such faggotry.

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I'm so pleased with myself. I looked up Joffrey expecting it to be some dumbass Harry Potter character, and it's actually some twat from GoT. I'm so happy to be clueless about such faggotry.

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starving man says "fuck food it never did nobody no good"

@mmm. I forgot all about that kind of format. I liked it in the past.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

What the fuck do I want a job for?

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to stop you from wasting your time in a thread like this

all the stuff you posted, i had thought of, and then decided it wasnt bad like you made it all sound

"it stands to reason" bla bla yea that would just be part of the new meta which i mentioned. none of the points you bring up make me think the game would be worse (except for you not playing the game...is that your way of saying you want to mod it?)

edited to add: we dont need to debate this here, but dont be suprised if we do it one day :thumbsup:

gabe's idea can work because one of the best things for people who are known for not liking wolf is to ask for wolf. also low activity players and those who often see the endgame would be better suited to ask for wolf. which means by extra level thinking that the absolute best people to ask for wolf would be ones like gator, who everybody would expect would not ask for wolf. the village would have to weigh so many possibilities. we could call the game "quantum randomness" since we would know that it's not perfectly random like usual but we still wouldn't know in which ways the outcomes distribute.

"quantum randomness" is a bad word for it. "heisenberg's werewolf" is better. just the idea that there is uncertainty is how the roles are distributed; therefore the necessary randomness and meta remain intact.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

To be clear, any game in which the mod does not randomise the entire player list and stick with the 1st roll, count me out please.

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This

That being said, I'm lynching gabe first, especially if rilla turns wolf.

Baudib second. No particular reason.

In for it all

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Originally Posted by gabe

PLEASE give rilla the alpha wolf role

if i get alpha wolf im recruiting him

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These ain't werewolves. These vampires.

You bite me or I bite you. #deathlesspact

I got flavor for the game, don't worry.

Color me worryfree.

Or colour for those that weren't taught proper english.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

gabe's idea can work because one of the best things for people who are known for not liking wolf is to ask for wolf. also low activity players and those who often see the endgame would be better suited to ask for wolf. which means by extra level thinking that the absolute best people to ask for wolf would be ones like gator, who everybody would expect would not ask for wolf. the village would have to weigh so many possibilities. we could call the game "quantum randomness" since we would know that it's not perfectly random like usual but we still wouldn't know in which ways the outcomes distribute.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

"quantum randomness" is a bad word for it. "heisenberg's werewolf" is better. just the idea that there is uncertainty is how the roles are distributed; therefore the necessary randomness and meta remain intact.

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one day we'll do this. good description.

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Originally Posted by gabe

to stop you from wasting your time in a thread like this

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But work is the biggest waste of time of them all. There is literally only one reason to work... money. And I don't give a fuck if I don't have any.

I'll play a game where the mod cherry picks this and that, but I'll be using random.org to make my choices.

I'm excited for this game to begin.

I agree, I've never played this setup. It should be interesting.

In.

would love to play this format, but things are way to hectic right now. Hit me up after the first of the year.

Gin

Current List (10)

Wufwugy
BID
Lilrascal
Keith
Gabe
Ongbonga
Rilla
Hoopy
Boog
Supermonkeyface

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

would love to play this format, but things are way to hectic right now. Hit me up after the first of the year.

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that was almost 10 full months ago

Morrrrrreeeee players pls. I dun care if you busy

i'd like to state here that my SO surprised me with last minute trip to NY so it will be hard for me to be too active any time starting from tonight to likely next wednesday (departure date still undetermined).

what the hell - In

doesnt this format need like 20 players or summat

I dont think it works without 20 minimum. Right now I got 12. If more dont sign up, im gonna have to change the format

Just assume baudib is playing and we can vig him n1.

I can't in. I need a break, just had back to back weeks of intense games that were probably the best games of my life. I'm exhausted and satiated on my need for WW fix.

Plus you guys will appreciate me more when you experience games without me.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I can't in. I need a break, just had back to back weeks of intense games that were probably the best games of my life. I'm exhausted and satiated on my need for WW fix.

Plus you guys will appreciate me more when you experience games without me.

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Tl;dr

Noone will appreciate you baudib, don't kid yourself.

K, I gotta change the format. Alpha doesnt work with 12.

I'm thinking something special role heavy. Maybe one where the possible roles are unknown. Thoughts?

12 false seers, no wolves.

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12 false seers, no wolves.

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Hahaha

12 serial killers.

There is an all-seers game on POG once a year, Hifi modded the most recent one. That was a unique flavor of AIDs.

half angels, half vigs and all actions are made in the thread. angel's saves last a certain amount of hours and there are no nights. it would be pure shooting n saving

i dont like the idea of unknown roles. people would waste thread space speculating on the possibilities too much

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i dont like the idea of unknown roles. people would waste thread space speculating on the possibilities too much

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I've played probably 10 mashes by now and this doesn't actually happen. Maybe in a game this size it would happen, but there's not much point. You assume there are power roles and probably lots of them, and go about your business.

speaking of which, some of you clowns should step up to the big leagues and play the mash on MU in November FFS.

I don't announce roles very often when I mod. With a closed game, there's more room for creative fakeclaims.

:whistle:

Since noone has 'out'd' after announcing the game type change, Im assuming everyone is fine with whatever I end up deciding.

Likely start is Wednesday.

Any haters on this setup?

Polygamist
- 4 pairs of 2 villagers; killing a villager kills their partner too.
- 1 pair of 4 wolves: killing a single wolf kills their entire team.

Its a shortish game, but its one of my favorites. It forces the wolves to work together, and since the village can only afford 1 mislynch, the villagers cant just let themselves die. The villagers also know that there partner is villa, so they have someone to trust. Also encourages wolves to hard defend one of their own. Idk, I really liked it. I cant remember how ftr felt about the whole pairs thing.

(Its NOT archertines, this one differs ALOT since you know your partner is villa)

/whatever

I just wanna play.

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Originally Posted by BooG690

I just wanna play.

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Let's start in a few hours.

GOGOGO

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Any haters on this setup?

Polygamist
- 4 pairs of 2 villagers; killing a villager kills their partner too.
- 1 pair of 4 wolves: killing a single wolf kills their entire team.

Its a shortish game, but its one of my favorites. It forces the wolves to work together, and since the village can only afford 1 mislynch, the villagers cant just let themselves die. The villagers also know that there partner is villa, so they have someone to trust. Also encourages wolves to hard defend one of their own. Idk, I really liked it. I cant remember how ftr felt about the whole pairs thing.

(Its NOT archertines, this one differs ALOT since you know your partner is villa)

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lol this looks so ridic imba against the wolves that we need to do it. im down with it purely for the bit different gameplay dynamic it will provide.

K. Ill start it up tomorrow then

Current List (12)

Wufwugy
BID
Lilrascal
Keith
Gabe
Ongbonga
Rilla
Hoopy
Boog
Supermonkeyface
aubrey
Gator

Gonna send out roles now, and let the wolves strat a bit. Game will start tomorrow when I wake up (Like, 12PST or something)