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  1. #1

    Default $2/$4 - 3 hands I want to fold but can't

    1)
    Villain is bad loose passive type. Haven't played with him much to know for sure though.

    Maybe just call flop raise? Hate these spots.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($386.10)
    SB ($74)
    BB ($405.80)
    Hero (UTG) ($551.50)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J
    Hero bets $14, Button calls $14, 2 folds

    Flop: ($34) J, K, 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $24, Button raises $50, Hero raises $122, Button raises $322.10 (All-In), Hero calls $226.10



    2)
    Villain has taggish stats, but he isn't very good. He's always trying to make moves on me on these types of flops. He's floated me in 3 way pots with overcards in the past on this type of board.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($511.20)
    BB ($158.70)
    UTG ($261.60)
    Hero (MP) ($624.80)
    Button ($1357.75)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 8
    1 fold, Hero bets $14, 1 fold, SB calls $12, 1 fold

    Flop: ($32) 3, 7, 6 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB raises $60, Hero calls $36

    Turn: ($152) 5 (2 players)
    SB bets $90, Hero calls $90

    River: ($332) 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $222, Hero calls $222




    3)
    Villain has taggish stats but I noticed his SB 3bet% is 27% over a small sample and 0% from all other positions.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB($518.80)
    MP ($230.60)
    Hero (CO) ($422.90)
    BTN ($384)
    SB($400)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
    1 fold, Hero bets $14, 1 fold, SB raises $47, 1 fold, Hero calls $35

    Flop: ($102) 2, 2, A (2 players)
    SB bets $60, Hero calls $60

    Turn: ($222) 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $291 (All-In), Hero calls $291
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    Maybe it's late and I'm dumb, but I can't see why you want to fold 2 and 3.

    And on 1 I just call the raise vs this guy.


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    Well in 2 his river bet just looks like the nuts. People don't bet $222 when they are bluffing in my experience. And is he value betting this river this large with worse?

    In hand 3, when a tagg double barrel jams turn on dry A high board, it's almost always AK. I can't see him doing this with AJ or worse, but I could be wrong.
  4. #4
    Hand 1: Call raise, play turn. He sucks so bad at poker that you're not that far ahead of his range.
    Hand 2: Shove river if there is any monies left.
    Hand 3: This is sooo game dependent.
  5. #5
    Galapogos and/or JL, could you outline your turn and river plan when you call villains flop raise in hand 1?

    I think you should call hands 2 and 3.
  6. #6
    See a turn card and a turn bet size.
  7. #7
    Given reads we can check back flop in hand 2 ip.
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    Given reads we can check back flop in hand 2 ip.
    Well he wasn't actually raising a whole lot. He just loves to float with anything that has outs. If he's going to call flop with KQ here, then betting is best I think.
    But I agree that if he starts c/ring a ton of flops, then I can just check behind hands like this.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    1. flop 3bet is gross

    2. folding this would be completely ridiculous

    3 is a tough spot vs most people
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  10. #10
    i think hand 1 u have to really be there to make that decision , but in scenario 2 and 3 i think your good in these places 95 percent of the time
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Hand 2: Shove river if there is any monies left.
    That was actually my first thought.

    I am just being results oriented. He showed up with Kc8c.


    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    2. folding this would be completely ridiculous
    Agreed. I am just running so bad lately.
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    1. flop 3bet is gross
    The sizing or just the fact that I 3-bet?
  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by JL
    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    1. flop 3bet is gross
    The sizing or just the fact that I 3-bet?
    the fact that you 3bet this vs a loose/passive.. You're pretty much crushed when u get it in,
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  14. #14
    yeah the 3 bet is bad in hand one, bad loose passives don't usually raise draws here, and they are always scared of the flush, so when you 3 bet that's what he's going to put you on most of the time and he's not going to call with worse. when he shoves, you're most likely drawing to 4 outs.
  15. #15
    I would have call all 3 hands too. but in hand 1, i would not reraise unless another k or j shows.

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