$100nl JJ

villain is passive, i think his stats are 35/4/0.7
i havent been at table for very long.

***** Hand History for Game 5118904522 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 07, 16:46:24 ET 2006
Table Table 108712 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ChicagoKid91 ( $109.95 )
Seat 3: cuse522 ( $266.95 )
Seat 4: lxrt2409 ( $134.33 )
Seat 5: WendellT ( $103.55 )
Seat 2: cluelessdonk ( $104 )
Seat 6: snwbrder567 ( $59.92 )
lxrt2409 posts small blind [$0.50].
WendellT posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cluelessdonk [ Jh Jc ]
snwbrder567 folds.
ChicagoKid91 raises [$2].
cluelessdonk raises [$8].
cuse522 folds.
lxrt2409 folds.
WendellT folds.
>You have options at Out To Sea Table!.
ChicagoKid91 calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5h, 7c ]
ChicagoKid91 checks.
cluelessdonk bets [$13].
ChicagoKid91 raises [$26].
cluelessdonk calls [$13].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
ChicagoKid91 bets [$30].

also this one...villain is 22/16/3 over decent sample.

***** Hand History for Game 5119578046 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 07, 18:48:27 ET 2006
Table Table 108723 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: karelen ( $179.11 )
Seat 3: mrs1981 ( $205.35 )
Seat 4: dan2653us ( $208.21 )
Seat 6: cluelessdonk ( $125.64 )
Seat 5: rep27155 ( $27.51 )
karelen posts small blind [$0.50].
mrs1981 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cluelessdonk [ Th Ad ]
dan2653us folds.
rep27155 folds.
cluelessdonk raises [$4].
karelen calls [$3.50].
mrs1981 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 3c, 9c ]
karelen checks.
cluelessdonk bets [$6].
MurderousVanity has joined the table.
>You have options at River Dude Table!.
karelen calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
karelen checks.
cluelessdonk bets [$14].
karelen raises [$30].
cluelessdonk calls [$16].
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
karelen bets [$40].

Both hands I would like to see a showdown but if I had to choose I would much rather fold Hand 2 on the turn than Hand 1 anywhere.

1) Between the EP pf minraise and the flop minraise I'm thinking AA/KK and folding the flop. Deffinitly fold the turn.

2) Fold the turn when you get raised. These turn raises are usually big strength. Rarely bluffs or weak hands.

ChicagoKid91 is from FTR is he not?

i haven't seen chicagokid in a long time on FTR, but i dont think he minraises in NL. I've seen a few chicago kids even at the 10/20 game

i dunno about hand 1...

but youre def beat on two. that little check raise he doesnt want u to fold, hes building the pot

HAND 1: 3-Bet the flop

HAND 2: Classic 2nd pair float tripper. Get away.

i dont think this chicagokid is from FTR, this guy was a megadonk...and why 3bet the flop? ive always been told 3betting a lot of flops with overpairs is bad when you have position.

Originally Posted by dan

I've always been told 3betting a lot of flops with overpairs is bad when you have position.

Usually is. I believe I have to restate my opinion on hand 1, and say fold on the flop. Reason being I read through it fast and just realized you said the villain is passive. Passive villain is ahead of you too often on a check raise in this spot.