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    Default 1/2: go red line, 3 hands

    For all hands my stats are 23/18 with 9% 3bet.

    I've got villain at 33/23 with 27% 3bet over 30 hands. His 5bet sizing seemed pretty ridiculous so I just pretty much snapped it in within a sec or two. Not a clue what range he calls with, but it's probably not wide. Also dunno about his 5bet tendencies. Yay I've got a blocker.

    BB ($70.55)
    UTG ($318.05)
    Hero (MP) ($785.30)
    CO ($217)
    Button ($641.05)
    SB ($135)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A, Q
    1 fold, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero raises to $71, Button raises to $170, Hero raises to $785.30 (All-In)...

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    2: I dunno about this one. I couldn't resist. Villain is 27/21 with 11% 3bet. I have no idea why I was spewing preflop but whatever. I guess the plan was to steal it at some point and seems like this was the best I could come up with. Who calls this with the ace? I mean he prolly doesn't even have one.

    BB ($29.20)
    UTG ($107.95)
    Hero (MP) ($416.65)
    CO ($219.50)
    Button ($603.45)
    SB ($243)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, K
    1 fold, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero calls $17

    Flop: ($51) 4, 2, 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks

    Turn: ($51) 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks

    River: ($51) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero raises to $241...

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    Villain is 21/19, probably not very good. UTG is fish. Meh, just fold river instead and miss out on some red line growth?

    SB ($527.35)
    BB ($650.95)
    UTG ($294.10)
    MP ($721.25)
    CO ($259.45)
    Hero (Button) ($214)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 8
    UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4

    Flop: ($25) 4, 6, 2 (4 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets $10, CO calls $10, Hero calls $10, 1 fold

    Turn: ($55) 7 (3 players)
    UTG checks, CO bets $22, Hero calls $22, 1 fold

    River: ($99) 4 (2 players)
    CO bets $25, Hero raises to $176 (All-In)...
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    were you drunk when you played hand 1 and 2?
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bode
    were you drunk when you played hand 1 and 2?
    That's a negative. What are your thoughts?
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    One more, same session yesterday. BvB, villain is 20/13 marked as fish.

    SB ($181)
    Hero (BB) ($601.75)
    UTG ($124.10)
    MP ($563.55)
    CO ($210.45)
    Button ($232.15)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, A
    4 folds, SB bets $6, Hero calls $4

    Flop: ($12) 9, A, 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $8, Hero calls $8

    Turn: ($28) 2 (2 players)
    SB bets $22, Hero calls $22

    River: ($72) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $56...
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    since no one is giving a real response i will...

    1. ...cant be that bad since he cant call with AK right... not much history to say what he does with kk or something, but it cant be that bad, i dont mind it

    2. free money, why not... doubt an A ever calls unless he really knows you, its not like you have a bunch of 6s in your range though

    3. meh, id want some sort of read that he isnt a post flop station as soon as he gets a hand that he likes but that river bet is pretty dam weak, if he does this with nuts to make you spazz then gg but more likely he has 88/55/A6s, right? which should fold np...

    4. seems dumb, if u wanna milk the fish bet smaller? or check behind if not. i assume this is for value and you hope he has QcXc? seems bad since i do this (as villain) with like AJ sometimes where villain wont call with worse so i check to pick off a bluff
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    hand 1 is just suicide. you have 30 hands of history with villain, and are putting in 300+ bbs w/ AQs. Villains 85bb 5bet should tell you something here, and with no history, its the easiest fold ever. i dont mind the initial 4bet at all, but come on.

    hand 2 is spew from the beginning, but if you HAVE to bluff, $70 gets the job done just as much.

    hand 3 its clear as day what your doing, but there aren't many combos of sets, and in my experience these get looked up by QQ+ too much.
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    Ok wow.. I'm red-line madness.. and even I wouldn't do any of this stuff.

    Agree with most of bode's comments.

    Hand 1: He's IP, I think if he had anything remotely playable he might even peel your 4bet IP given stacks, so once he 5bets.. I don't know. You're screwed.

    Hand 2: agree with bode, your riving sizing is completely unnecessary. c/r to 70ish would work just as well. I have no idea why you perceive this as remotely a good spot to bluff though. His line completely resembles Ax.. I don't see how you figure he doesn't have Ax here. Makes no sense.

    Hand 3: whatevs... I don't think he's that strong based on his river sizing.. but I also think he can convince himself that his sizing caused some spew.

    Hand 4: sure it's fine sometimes.. some ppl might look you up with worse here... some rivered Qx or something. It's thin but way better than the other 3 hands.
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    1 and 2 seem kind of std but obv on the spewy side. in 2 id imagine u would lead the turn almost every time u have a 6 in your hand but he prob isnt a very good handreader.

    3 seems like a flop fold and a turn fold

    4 id just check for sure. on that board all of his good aces make more money from checkcalling than 3rd barreling and a lot of people will take that line
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    #1 can be fine but i usually just call pre and never fold any flop
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    1 and 2 seem kind of std but obv on the spewy side. in 2 id imagine u would lead the turn almost every time u have a 6 in your hand but he prob isnt a very good handreader.

    3 seems like a flop fold and a turn fold

    4 id just check for sure. on that board all of his good aces make more money from checkcalling than 3rd barreling and a lot of people will take that line
    Thanks for helping me out Rich. Nr2 is just so fkin horrible against anyone half decent, although I didn't feel like that was the case here. This was the kind of spot that marshall pointed out in another thread where I just wanted to make up for a preflop mistake.

    Nr3: Flop meh, very good price, top pair, position, fish in the pot. Turn meh, good price, position and the fact that I can take it from him on the river pretty often. So I guess I disagree somewhat in that I think both calls are winning plays for me at these stakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    #1 can be fine but i usually just call pre and never fold any flop
    I hear you, thanks gabe!
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    At first I thought a 6b for hand 1 is what I'd likely do, but after hearing gabe's suggestion, I like that one a lot better.

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