1/2 NL 6 handed

Villian is UTG with ~$300 he is pretty loose preflop, c-bets often
Hero is SB with ~$250 also playing a bit loose agro, probably a bit too loose on that day.

UTG raises to 7, folds around to Hero with

although hero should probably fold, hero decided to call
BB folds

FLOP
Pot $15
Hero hits bingo and checks, villian bets $12, hero raises to $30 villian makes it $90
Hero? call or raise?
and please lets discuss why.
-beck

Most villains are not messing around on this texture alot, and if they are they probably won't continue with the bluff after the flop anyway. So lets pump the money in the pot before scare cards hit and make him shut down.

Edit: we could probably talk about raise amounts too, and also about leading the flop.

You're OOP, with the nuts and a re-draw. He's UTG with a very strong range and he's 3-betting you on the flop. Why would you EVER not ship this?

Just get it in, he probably puts you on a FD.

have you ever seen him 3bet-fold a super wet flop? no you havent, shove

Originally Posted by nutsinho

no you havent, shove

Originally Posted by griffey24

You're OOP, with the nuts and a re-draw. He's UTG with a very strong range and he's 3-betting you on the flop. Why would you EVER not ship this?

Just get it in, he probably puts you on a FD.

This is exactly what I am worried about. If he does put me on a flush draw, wont he fold if I push? what could he have?
big pair
set
2 pair, maybe
AsKs, AsQs, AsJs
As7s, A9, A8 even less likely from UTG but possible
over cards pretty unlikely
8T, 58, very unlikely
Bluff

I guess the question I have is we have a 195 pot, and I have another 150 and he has me covered. Will he call with any of those hands if I push?
I don't think he will call with a big pair. would you?
He will more then likely call with a set.
over card flush draw, he may call.
he will fold the rest.

Of the cards he would fold to a push, what turn card would get him to put more chips in the pot on the turn? Not many
Hitting his over card, hitting his flush draw, hitting his own straight, another bluff?

Then at the same time so many cards can be coolers. A spade,or pairing the board may be a cooler. Any T or 5 can be a cooler.

Am I thinking this through accurately? Cause now that I did, I see way more reasons to push then to just call. Please add your thoughts.

-beck

He wasn't 3betting the flop to fold to a push.

Originally Posted by Beck

This is exactly what I am worried about. If he does put me on a flush draw, wont he fold if I push? what could he have?
big pair
set
2 pair, maybe
AsKs, AsQs, AsJs
As7s, A9, A8 even less likely from UTG but possible
over cards pretty unlikely

how wide of a range do you want?

I don't really get what your alternative is. You think you're gonna call OOP, and he's gonna bluff jam some air hand on the turn when you check?

If this hand were blinds vs btn and you were c/r him a lot on flops, then maaaybe there could be some warrant to calling, if you had good reads and you put a lot of bluffs in his range. But he's UTG with a ton of value hands.

You're way over-thinking this.

Originally Posted by griffey24

You're way over-thinking this.

This, just shove over 3 bet he's folding extremely rarely and if he is folding to your 3 bet he likely wasn't putting any more money in anyway.

Your c/r is on the small size on the flop as well, I'd make it 40 instead of 30.

Originally Posted by griffey24

how wide of a range do you want?

I don't really get what your alternative is. You think you're gonna call OOP, and he's gonna bluff jam some air hand on the turn when you check?

You're way over-thinking this.

I think you are right, I was thinking I was way too ahead and needed him to improve to put more money in. But where is he going to improve, too many scare cards as well, plus it is unlikely more money will go in if he is bluffing. after 3 betting like that. Maybe I am over thinking it.

Hes not folding, shove. I'd give you large odds in your favor he is not folding. This is very trivial.