1/2 rush deep: overpair facing turn c/r

TAG reg villain repping narrow range, 240BB deep. Turn line check.

SB ($258)
BB ($483)
UTG ($200)
Hero ($684)
CO ($87)
BTN ($200)
Dealt to Hero Q Q
fold, Hero raises to $7, fold, fold, SB calls $6, BB calls $5
FLOP ($21) 2 4 2
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14, BB calls $14
TURN ($63) 2 4 2 8
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $45, SB folds, BB raises to $135, Hero folds
BB wins $150

yea most % time he isn`t bluffing here, though he does rep very little
need to have more info that he`s capable of turning like 77 or AJ here into a bluff
i almost wanna call turn with deeper stacks than with 100bb, since ppl might bluff more often idk

i am a beginner, so most of the times dumb when about poker, but why did you fold here? in my opinion he could have done that c/r with AK, AQ,99-JJ... isnt that possible? he could have 88 or 44, but there ar more combos you beat then the ones that beat you. i dont think he has AA or KK cause he didnt reraise preflop. i would have pushed all in here.

I witnessed this hand, and I advocated a fold even though we're obv getting exploited a ton. My reasoning was simply that people aren't gonna try to rep boats versus a strong range 240BB deep.

so the stack is the main reason for folding the hand? asking because i wanna improve and getting advice and understanding your logic is the way to get better

Just fold

His sizing definitely isn't messing around. Think fold is good. We only really beat like A3ss, A5ss, 56ss.

So ridiculously easy to exploit imo.

would do we do here with A2s?

how bout 4's full?

Originally Posted by pocketfours

So ridiculously easy to exploit imo.

It's not like they know you're folding an overpair. Just snap fold like you have air, if you don't want them thinking you're folding big.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

would do we do here with A2s?

how bout 4's full?

BB overcalled pre, so I don't think 2xss is unreasonable here for him. And 4's full also blocks his hands, so never folding that.

It is easy to exploit - if you don't know they're exploiting you. If you think he is trying exploiting you here, then all you need to do is not fold this, and you are exploiting him.

srsly grif? i would def consider folding A2 here

if you are worried about expolitation by one particular player, who you`ll be playing a lot against in the future (you know it for sure), you can stack off here 1-3 times and see what happens, if he never shows up with a bluff (or never/not enough as we assume here in a vaacume). Plus it is good for future meta against him - he`ll be less inclined to bluff you in marginal spots knowing your stack off range is wide, which definitely is a good thing for wr

Originally Posted by Genitruc

srsly grif? i would def consider folding A2 here

yah I just said not folding 4's full! but didn't really say either way with A2, but assuming he doesn't really have many other 2x hands, A2 is pretty much QQ.

game flow, recent history, your image, how he expects you view his line (i.e. does he think you think this will look fos etc. or does he think you think theres no way he could ever bluff here) are all important... kinda hard to tell you whether to call down or fold really. I think you understand all these things well so there's not much in thread aside from figuring out who on this forum likes to fold without any idea regarding the list of factors I provided.

I think you do fold here if you're sure he isnt retarded.

I think the best play there is to bet 1/3 of the pot on the turn. Betting 45 buck leaves you pot commited and then you should call to that reraise. If you bet 1/3 and the guy is just bluffin youre not going to get a minraise... hes gonna try kicking you out of the hand with a big bet and then you have your tell.

Originally Posted by Acemonk

I think the best play there is to bet 1/3 of the pot on the turn. Betting 45 buck leaves you pot commited and then you should call to that reraise. If you bet 1/3 and the guy is just bluffin youre not going to get a minraise... hes gonna try kicking you out of the hand with a big bet and then you have your tell.

Your logic is flawed though. If you bet smaller, he's more likely to be induced into bluff raising you, than if you bet bigger, where he's less likely to bluff you.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Your logic is flawed though. If you bet smaller, he's more likely to be induced into bluff raising you, than if you bet bigger, where he's less likely to bluff you.

Depends on what level you think.

fold is ok. if definitely fold TT

i might crying call turn and fold river. thinking he is bluffing very little but sometime raising worse for protection/value that we can showdown against

Fold is best here. Let go of bad investments.