10/20 weird OOP lines, once again..

I post these weird lines because they are, umm, weird. standard hands are standard and not worth discussing that often.

Opponent is a solid regular who doesnt make that many moves, he does take 2/3 pot stabs on the flop quite often when nobody else seems interested.He probably views me as tricky LAG who often times spews and perhaps bluffs a tad bit too much. What could I possibly have here? And my opponent (I dont know that either)

Hand #425425260 at table: Table TH 474
Started: Wed Sep 27 22:30:50 2006

Egholmi is at seat 1 with 3553.50
PingZen is at seat 2 with 4308.00
DieHerren is at seat 3 with 2161.00
CALLMEPLZ is at seat 4 with 1417.00
Karolidis is at seat 5 with 1970.00

Egholmi posts the large blind 20.00
Karolidis posts the small blind 10.00

Karolidis: --, --
Egholmi: --, --
PingZen: Two cards
DieHerren: --, --
CALLMEPLZ: --, --

Pre-flop:

PingZen: Raise 60.00
DieHerren: Call 60.00
CALLMEPLZ: Fold
Karolidis: Fold
Egholmi: Fold

Flop (Board: 3h, Ad, 4d):

PingZen: Check
DieHerren: Bet 100.00
PingZen: Raise 340.00
DieHerren: Call 340.00

Turn (Board: 3h, Ad, 4d, 5d):

PingZen: Check
DieHerren: Bet 480.00
PingZen: Call 480.00

River (Board: 3h, Ad, 4d, 5d, 8h):

PingZen: Bet 640.00
DieHerren: Call 640.00

Showdown:

PingZen shows ??

#2
This happened perhaps 15 minutes after the first one. Same villain, same table.

Hand #425434860 at table: Table TH 474
Started: Wed Sep 27 22:42:27 2006

Egholmi is at seat 1 with 5761.50
PingZen is at seat 2 with 6309.00
DieHerren is at seat 3 with 2047.00
CALLMEPLZ is at seat 4 with 1051.00
Karolidis is at seat 5 with 2211.00

Egholmi posts the large blind 20.00
Karolidis posts the small blind 10.00

Karolidis: --, --
Egholmi: --, --
PingZen: two cards
DieHerren: --, --
CALLMEPLZ: --, --

Pre-flop:

PingZen: Raise 80.00
DieHerren: Call 80.00
CALLMEPLZ: Call 80.00
Karolidis: Call 80.00
Egholmi: Call 80.00

Flop (Board: 5h, 2s, 2d):

Karolidis: Check
Egholmi: Check
PingZen: Check
DieHerren: Bet 220.00
CALLMEPLZ: Fold
Karolidis: Fold
Egholmi: Fold
PingZen: Raise 660.00
DieHerren: All in
PingZen: Call 1967.00

Turn (Board: 5h, 2s, 2d, 10c):


River (Board: 5h, 2s, 2d, 10c, Kh):

I'm not qualified to answer any of this stuff, but

Pre-flop:

PingZen: Raise 80.00
DieHerren: Call 80.00
CALLMEPLZ: Call 80.00
Karolidis: Call 80.00
Egholmi: Call 80.00

is awesome

Happens once in blue moon, 2/3 times get blinds.

Hand 1. Suited connector/gapper. 6 through J of diamonds. You don't raise the turn cause you don't want it to be obvious you hit a flush and want to make a bet on river to get more out of opp.

Hand 2. 99+. I don't see you calling a shove with Axs since there's only backdoor flush draws. Could be A5 though. 5% of the time you have 43s

I don't have any good input, but I'm super curious what you guys both had. Post results soon!

on the first hand you have at least AK, but not the flush. maybe something like AxKd, A5s, or set, all of which is blocking the river.

hand 2 you should have AA-KK, sometimes QQ.

#1 I had KdTd. He had been taking a lot of stabs at the pots and I wanted to CR him here for meta-game and deception purposes. When the flush hit I thought that betting would be too obvious and that he couldnt continue with a monster.

#2 AA, again he had been stabbing and perhaps tilting a bit and I was hoping that somebody would try to make a move on him. after all, I had the relative position on him. He had A4 and propably put me on medium pocket pair that couldt take the heat, he also had 7 outs against anything else besides AA, boat or quads (and 43).

i think the goofy line with KTd cost your money. i also think you should have bet more on river with the practical nuts.

Want to be more precise? what is his hand range? how would he perceive me?

i think these alternatives lines are good against regulars once in a while, like 1/10 of the time maybe. i would only use these non standard lines against someone i know is very aggressive. your description of him just sounds like a standard TAG, not necessarily someone you can count on putting his stack in as a bluff whenever you manipulate him into doing so.