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 Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Originally Posted by bode
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
how can you bet for value then fold to a raise?
isn't this pretty much the definition of bet/fold? we bet because we have value against a certain x % of his range (with x being >50) but we have the intention of folding to a raise that will contain a range of y hands that have us beat. seems pretty standard really.
I should clarify, there was a massive argument about this in the beginner's circle where IOPQ said you cannot bet/raise for value then fold b/c that means your first bet/raise was a bluff.
We all told him he was wrong but he still persisted, so every time he posts a hand where he wants to value bet/raise then fold I immediately jump on him, b/c frankly, I have nothing better to do.
It only applies against regs that will attempt to bluff you/semi-bluff you
so 3bing pre with the intention of folding is bad with a hand like AQ against a reg with history because a reg can easily 4b bluff and flatting against someone who can 4b bluff a lot is better if we don't intend on shoving
same thing with like AK on a drawy flop like KJ8ss if we raise the flop for value and get shoved on we have to call if we expect villain to shove with semi-bluffs on the flop
if we don't think calling a shove is profitable we should probably just call to avoid folding the best hand to a shove
it doesn't apply to a situation where we're OOP and would likely face a bet from villain if we check, then b/f could be better than c/c because we think we're ahead of villain's calling range
we basically don't have an option to check because we'll be bet into and have to decide between calling and folding
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