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    Default 10k hands 6max stat check

    i know i have a ton of leaks to plug but i need help identifing them first.

    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    looks pretty standard. Your leaks likely won't be noticeable in stats.

    You should have a higher vpip/pfr from CO/BTN than UTG/UTG+1. Are you playing the same starting hands from every position?
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    that position window looks weird with the button grouped with the blinds instead of just going in order...but ya it looks like you aren't changing your pfr requirements by position which you should do in a big way.
    otherwise nice job! keep it up and move up asap...and I agree posting hands helps more than feedback on stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swiggidy
    looks pretty standard. Your leaks likely won't be noticeable in stats.

    You should have a higher vpip/pfr from CO/BTN than UTG/UTG+1. Are you playing the same starting hands from every position?
    this is the biggest thing i have noticed thus far from my stats alone. i still cant figure out if im playing too many hands from UTG/UTG+1 or if im not raising enough hands from CO/BTN. i feel like sometimes my game is too nitty and id like to loosen up some, and for now i think this is just a comfort thing and after playing more hands it will work itself out. Since adding 2 more tables to 6 total i have tightened up even more. i might go back to 4 tables for a while and experiment with raising more hands from LP until im comfortable and its just second nature.

    also, the positional disadvantage at this level is less of a factor than just playing your strong cards fast when they hit the flop. this is something i need to get corrected now because as i progress through the stakes it will obv become more of a leak and set my play back exponentially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benny999
    that position window looks weird with the button grouped with the blinds instead of just going in order...but ya it looks like you aren't changing your pfr requirements by position which you should do in a big way.
    otherwise nice job! keep it up and move up asap...and I agree posting hands helps more than feedback on stats.
    this is just PO's way of doing it. I like PT's version better.

    another thing re: late position PFR. The $10nl tables on stars are incredibly passive and I think this is affecting me not raising more hands in LP. When i have a super donk calling station w/ a 75% VPIP to my left that will call down w/ A or K high it becomes unprofitable to raise lessor holdings because they will call c-bets every time i miss. IDK, maybe this thinking is backwards.
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    bump.

    anyone? can you just not tell anything from these stats?
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    You're absolutely right about playing tighter with a calling station on your left. If they don't fold post-flop and let you draw, then limp a lot of stuff with potential, "semi-bluff" draws to build the pot, value bet TPBK, MP just don't let the flop get big. I guess what I'm saying is c-bet less, value bet more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bode-ist
    another thing re: late position PFR. The $10nl tables on stars are incredibly passive and I think this is affecting me not raising more hands in LP. When i have a super donk calling station w/ a 75% VPIP to my left that will call down w/ A or K high it becomes unprofitable to raise lessor holdings because they will call c-bets every time i miss. IDK, maybe this thinking is backwards.
    you probably realize but just to be sure, position isn't all about raising and cbetting. you generally get paid better in position. for one example, oop you might think c/r is good but then villain checks behind. in position, the same villain might lead timidly and then you raise...now he has a tough decision since maybe you just raised since he looks weak. and it'll be better to make them make these decisions if the pot starts off bigger because you raised pre flop.

    so even though certain hands tend to win more vs people that call down too much, you can still occasionally raise more marginal hands in position just to build the pot and outplay them via getting that extra value, instead of raising to blow them off the pot (occasionally you can do that still though).

    but yea if they're calling so ridiculously post flop, I'd wanna limp in a lot instead of raise too...just pointing out that you should still be raising more in LP than EP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benny999
    Quote Originally Posted by Bode-ist
    another thing re: late position PFR. The $10nl tables on stars are incredibly passive and I think this is affecting me not raising more hands in LP. When i have a super donk calling station w/ a 75% VPIP to my left that will call down w/ A or K high it becomes unprofitable to raise lessor holdings because they will call c-bets every time i miss. IDK, maybe this thinking is backwards.
    you probably realize but just to be sure, position isn't all about raising and cbetting. you generally get paid better in position. for one example, oop you might think c/r is good but then villain checks behind. in position, the same villain might lead timidly and then you raise...now he has a tough decision since maybe you just raised since he looks weak. and it'll be better to make them make these decisions if the pot starts off bigger because you raised pre flop.

    so even though certain hands tend to win more vs people that call down too much, you can still occasionally raise more marginal hands in position just to build the pot and outplay them via getting that extra value, instead of raising to blow them off the pot (occasionally you can do that still though).

    but yea if they're calling so ridiculously post flop, I'd wanna limp in a lot instead of raise too...just pointing out that you should still be raising more in LP than EP.
    The chronic limpers at this level are really limping their hands just to see a flop. If they dont hit a peice of it then they are out. Its actually quite profitable now that i ithink about it. When i raise the top ~50% of hands from the button and they call out of the blinds, statistically they arent hitting anything 2/3 times and a c-bet takes the hand down fairly easy. If they have something and i dont hit i can get away cheap and make back the 4BB investment on the next round when they call again and fold the flop. Even when they do hit, sometimes it is middle/bottom pair to my top pair or its them calling 2/3 PSB's down to the river w/ A5 and i can value bet w/ any big A really. Its actually quite prof
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.

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