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When you guys 3bet this flop, your opponents all auto-shove JTo and 88? I have only experienced this when I'm playing 32/25 and showing bluffs constantly.
When I'm trying to play solid I can't think of any reason to do anything but flat a raise in this spot.
You guys all seem really worried about your range, but what about trying to extract the most value out of villain's range? Why is it that lately I feel like I'm the only one on these forums who even considers this?
If he has a 9 he's likely not paying off his whole stack, so call flop and when he chk's through turn w/ 9x value bet the river he'll call. If he has air, we should call also because he's going to bet the turn and we extract more value from his pure bluffs. If he has a hand like JJ/TT, it's not like he's going to just check it down. These are arguably the only hands you might lose a little value from by just calling, but even in those instances, for him to stack off here when we 3bet he has to be a good hand reader in the sense that he should know our flop 3b value range should really only consist of like 99 and 3x and both of those probably flat, AND he has to think we aren't merged w/ a hand like AA-QQ (so I guess JJ/TT stack off thinking they are getting value from 9x? RLY?). This is just too unlikely against someone who has minraised us.
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