2 AA hands

he is aggro. notice stack sizes. What should ping do here?

Hand #206528021 at table: Table TH 75
Started: Wed Feb 15 20:11:39 2006

Êó÷åðÿâûé is at seat 1 with 214.63
fili11 is at seat 2 with 55.67
NKI is at seat 3 with 863.20
PingZen is at seat 4 with 736.90
snobben1 is at seat 5 with 289.90

fili11 posts the large blind 4.00
Êó÷åðÿâûé posts the small blind 2.00

Êó÷åðÿâûé: --, --
fili11: --, --
NKI: --, --
PingZen: Ah, Ad
snobben1: --, --

Pre-flop:

NKI: Fold
PingZen: Raise 12.00
snobben1: Call 12.00
Êó÷åðÿâûé: Fold
fili11: Fold

Flop (Board: 3s, 6s, Qs):

PingZen: Bet 20.00
snobben1: Raise 52.00 (32 more to call)
PingZen: ??

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He is a good lag raising quite a lot in position. It gets tough on turn..

Hand #206490714 at table: Table TH 1233
Started: Wed Feb 15 19:35:03 2006

susi35 is at seat 1 with 0.00
PingZen is at seat 2 with 429.80
shade66 is at seat 3 with 157.00
NKI is at seat 4 with 432.60
Po'Boy is at seat 5 with 614.30

PingZen posts the large blind 4.00

PingZen: Ac, As
shade66: --, --
NKI: --, --
Po'Boy: --, --

Pre-flop:

shade66: Check
NKI: Fold
Po'Boy: Raise 16.00
PingZen: Call 16.00
shade66: Fold

Flop (Board: 2d, 8d, 4s):

PingZen: Check
Po'Boy: Bet 20.00
PingZen: Raise 60.00
Po'Boy: Call 60.00

Turn (Board: 2d, 8d, 4s, Ad):

PingZen: ??

1) put him all in. probably has AQ with the A-hi flush draw.
2) 1/2 pot it and pray to hit one of your 10 outs if he calls.

-sed

hand 1 i push him in, especially for that stack size. that probably isn't the best way to look at it, but probably my play.

hand2: hard to not go broke here if he makes his flush on your top set. is it possible he's making that reraise there w/ a set of his own? his large stack size is going to make pushing against you there out of the question if he does, and i would expect a raise like that from a flopped set by a good LAG to play. another possibility on his flop bet is that he is trying to control pot size w/ A or K of diamonds, but when that Ad comes out, this makes this much more unlikely.

i guess all things considered, if i'm really worried about the flush there, i try for a cheap showdown and probably check/call the turn and then try a blocking bet to lead out the river. since you're OOP, that is the only weapon you have left. but if the board pairs, which it will often enough, you're golden.

Originally Posted by alias2211

hand 1 i push him in, especially for that stack size. that probably isn't the best way to look at it, but probably my play.

hand2: hard to not go broke here if he makes his flush on your top set. is it possible he's making that reraise there w/ a set of his own? his large stack size is going to make pushing against you there out of the question if he does, and i would expect a raise like that from a flopped set by a good LAG to play. another possibility on his flop bet is that he is trying to control pot size w/ A or K of diamonds, but when that Ad comes out, this makes this much more unlikely.

i guess all things considered, if i'm really worried about the flush there, i try for a cheap showdown and probably check/call the turn and then try a blocking bet to lead out the river. since you're OOP, that is the only weapon you have left. but if the board pairs, which it will often enough, you're golden.

What re-raise. He raises PF I call. I CR him on flop he calls.

Originally Posted by Sed

1) put him all in. probably has AQ with the A-hi flush draw.
2) 1/2 pot it and pray to hit one of your 10 outs if he calls.

-sed

bump

1) I pushed AI, folded pretty quickly
2) I bet 100 and he pushed, hero???

Originally Posted by Pingviini

What re-raise. He raises PF I call. I CR him on flop he calls.

oops, sorry ping! not sure how i mixed that up.

let me try again:

hand 2: now that i know he check raised you on the turn after you bet out $100 it does get really interesting. i can't see a LAG w/ flush making this play, especially considering his position. unless he can put you on AA and knows that you have a decent shot to pair the board and counterfeit his flush, he doesn't need to make a big move at this point in the turn. LAGs love to push in big draw/big pot situations, they get their money in while behind all the time in favor of putting their opponents in tough spots. but he could also be doing it w/ a lower set. i feel like you have him here and should call.

to call, it would be:

429 starting stack size (too bad!)
-12 PF call
-60 CR flop
-100 turn bet
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~$250 to call at a chance at winning a pot that has about($~350 in it before the turn action + his additional $250 to put you in = ~$600) means you have to be correctabout 40% of the time.

i don't think you can fold.

If you think he has the flush, you don't have odds to call this. He could possibly have a lower set but I think he would 3bet the flop with a flush draw out there. This sucks - how many people can lay down a set of Aces here?

Originally Posted by alias2211

Originally Posted by Pingviini

What re-raise. He raises PF I call. I CR him on flop he calls.

oops, sorry ping! not sure how i mixed that up.

let me try again:

hand 2: now that i know he check raised you on the turn after you bet out $100 it does get really interesting. i can't see a LAG w/ flush making this play, especially considering his position. unless he can put you on AA and knows that you have a decent shot to pair the board and counterfeit his flush, he doesn't need to make a big move at this point in the turn. LAGs love to push in big draw/big pot situations, they get their money in while behind all the time in favor of putting their opponents in tough spots. but he could also be doing it w/ a lower set. i feel like you have him here and should call.

to call, it would be:

429 starting stack size (too bad!)
-12 PF call
-60 CR flop
-100 turn bet
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~$250 to call at a chance at winning a pot that has about($~350 in it before the turn action + his additional $250 to put you in = ~$600) means you have to be correctabout 40% of the time.

i don't think you can fold.

Perhaps you should stop using drugs, or get some new ones He has position, I was in the blinds.

ok im giving up jeezus. i must be making both hands into a single super AA spectacular. ur right, i haven't been on much sleep lately...