2 hands vs same villain

meh, these dont seem as tough on paper as they did in the flow of the game last night, but i'd still like to here everyones thoughts.

hand 1:
SB is 25/20/4.5 over 45 hands, MP is 13.5/9.5/1.4 over 100 hands. no real reads on either villain here. My turn play is gross here. i dont really remember why i got so FPSy, but I cant see either of them playing a set like this and think their ranges are weighted more toward med PP's, maybe an Ax type hand w/ a pair + GS. They probably think i have a med PP type hand here after checking behind turn and pot controlling I think SB's biggish lead on the river might be like 66 that he is trying to get paid by an Ace. obv im not folding, but is shoving even an option here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

MP ($113.10)
Hero (CO) ($113.70)
Button ($128.40)
SB ($207.65)
BB ($104.60)
UTG ($85.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 7
1 fold, MP raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) 5, 2, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $8, Hero calls $8, SB calls $8

Turn: ($35.50) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($35.50) 2 (3 players)
SB bets $26, MP calls $26, Hero calls???



hand 2:
villain is MP from the first hand. 13.5/9.5/1.4 over 100 hands. this is an orbit or 2 after the first hand. i've not seen him donk lead like this before, but maybe hes repping a set? note were 200bbs deep here. ive been table selecting and switching tables alot mid session lately so i havent been playing deepstacked much..


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($200)
Hero (MP) ($226.40)
Button ($100)
SB ($101.75)
BB ($194.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 10
1 fold, UTG raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7) 9, 9, 7 (3 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero raises to $16, UTG calls $11

Turn: ($39) A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $25.50, UTG calls $25.50

River: ($90) 3 (4 players)
UTG bets $60, Hero calls $60

Total pot: $210 | Rake: $3

hand 1: obviously bet turn as you know, just call the river bet, raising is suicide.

hand 2: bet turn a little harder, like 30-34 seems alot better. The river really sucks, hes basically repping a boat which is worrying, but its hard to imagine what boats he can have bar aces full and maybe 77. Against a nitty guy like this i can see the river being a fold.

Originally Posted by bode

, maybe an Ax type hand w/ a pair + GS.

do you realize an ace makes a straight? I just had to quit my session because reading this hand put me on so much tilt.

Hand 1 - wow.. I think this hand just put me on tilt. An ace makes a straight! Holy bet that turn and stack all aces, all day. This is not the time to slowplay multiway, when the turn brings a diamond even.

On the river, I'm actually tempted to raise here. MP has an ace here always or trips. SB's bet sizing makes me think he doesn't have a boat, cause I'd imagine a boat would do some mega bet or overbet trying to stack an ace.

I'd be tempted to jam just based on MP's sizing, but it's close.

(edit: wow.. just noticed that nutsinho said like the same thing. weirdddd)

Hand 2 - oh man, I'm tempted to jam again haha. I think he has Ax hearts much more likely than some better 9x or boat here. He can't ever have backdoor spades either, cause nothing makes sense for flop and UTG open. Maybe 7x spades but that's it. Actually given his nittiness and UTG open I think he rarely rarely has 9x or backdoor flush.

I think I jam here, and get called by AKhearts.

obv my turn play in hand 1 is terrible. at the time i thought that med. pps made up way more of both villains range than Ax which is why i didnt bet. i dont think either of them have Ax there much, especially the nitty MP, but i should have bet regardless.

Originally Posted by bode

obv my turn play in hand 1 is terrible. at the time i thought that med. pps made up way more of both villains range than Ax which is why i didnt bet. i dont think either of them have Ax there much, especially the nitty MP, but i should have bet regardless.

you could be right, his range could be more PP's. That's kind of irrelevant though. This isn't really the kind of board where a PP will c/f turn but will c/c river kinda thing. Especially since its multiway and anyone who bets on river will have the straight.

from what Ive seen in a lot of hands you either comment on or post in you are building big pots with mediocre hands and keeping pots way too small with your big hands.

Bet the turn on Hand #1. I know you and everyone else had said it already, but do you actually realize how truly big of a leak it is not to? I know it's annoying to have everyone jump on board after it's all been said but seriously, not betting here is a crime and I'm just hoping to help pound it into your head.

Oh yeah, and in Hand #2 I just call. I honestly don't see a nit calling with AK here. You likely have him beat but I really don't see him calling with anything you do beat. And nits are expert at coolering you.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

from what Ive seen in a lot of hands you either comment on or post in you are building big pots with mediocre hands and keeping pots way too small with your big hands.

+1

I haven't seen enough of your HH's to know if this applies to you OP, but in general I'd say that this is a leak that a lot of people have.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

from what Ive seen in a lot of hands you either comment on or post in you are building big pots with mediocre hands and keeping pots way too small with your big hands.

+1

I haven't seen enough of your HH's to know if this applies to you OP, but in general I'd say that this is a leak that a lot of people have.

i agree with what spenda said, but the sample size is pretty skewed because i only tend to post hands where i think i played it bad and/or was totally lost. But in general i know i have alot of smallish leaks to plug. i'd love it if someone would be willing to look through some hands for me and help me plug some leaks.