3 & 4 bet pots where villain takes weird line

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($118)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($84)
MP ($215.50)
Button ($117)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
2 folds, Button raises to $6, SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $44, Button folds, SB calls $26.

Flop: ($94) 5, 7, Q (2 players)
SB bets $24, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($142) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $50 (All-In), Hero calls $50.

River: ($242) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $242

I just sat down, this is the 1st hand ive played and villain is unknown

I meant to 4bet a bit bigger... his line is so bizarre i called down... wwyd

he'd shove AA/KK/QQ pf imo...

if he really hit a queen he'd check/raise right?


Hand 2

PokerStars Game #18979608147: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/07/21 - 00:41:32 (ET)
Table 'Amphitrite V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: birdzai ($214.80 in chips)
Seat 3: BigTic ($650.10 in chips)
Seat 4: bluesinsoul ($670.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Diamond7777 ($115 in chips)
Seat 6: bo168 ($134.80 in chips)
lance274 will be allowed to play after the button
birdzai: posts small blind $1
BigTic: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to birdzai [Qc Qs]
bluesinsoul: folds
Diamond7777: raises $6 to $8
bo168: folds
birdzai: raises $16 to $24
BigTic: folds
Diamond7777: calls $16
*** FLOP *** [9c Kh 5s]
birdzai: bets $26
Diamond7777: calls $26
*** TURN *** [9c Kh 5s] [6c]
birdzai: checks
Diamond7777: bets $24
birdzai: raises $140.80 to $164.80 and is all-in

iu mean he only has $40 left on turn...

he seemed to call way too much pf, so i think he has missed a lot

Hand 1: Dont think theres really much reason to 4-bet Jacks vs a fish on your first hand at the table unless theyre even shorter than this, after that its hard to find a fold.

Hand 2: Dont c-bet, just c/c down at least til hes put in 95% of his stack like on turn.

hand 1 - you should shove preflop if your 4betting

hand 2 - seems ok, c/c is prob good too since its not gonna be hard for us to get his money in.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

hand 1 - you should shove preflop if your 4betting

Completely disagree. If this is true then how can we 4bet bluff ever? I think pre you can just call as you have position, and SB can have a whole range of hands. As played I can't help we're beat the whole time, but his shit betsizing makes me want to call too. I think this whole situation could have been avoided if you made it around 52-53 pre or just called and reevaluated.

I don't think he'd c/r if he hit a Q necessarily. By his bet sizes he seems like a donk and they do the strangest things. I might even fold the flop bet since it seems like he wants the money to go in the middle, and 99/TT wouldn't feel that way.

I don't like it w/o a read that he floats the flop a lot. I don't like your reasoning about him calling light pre justifying whether he has a hand here. I think I'd just call the turn bet since it's so small, and probably c/f the river.

freechus - check effective stack sizes in hand one.

So yeah, I think in hand 1 we can just shove preflop.

Hand 2 - I'd just c/c flop given he's short and probably a donk so we don't need to balance our range too much.

hmm at the time in Hand #1 I 4bet kinda small because it makes a lot of spewy people shove with worse and do stupid stuff ... everyone goes "ZOMG HE HAS AK or AIR".

His stack size is very awkward tho.. I see the point about his stack but I like giving a worse player the chance to make some bad moves. Why not?


hand 2

I don't know if I like c/c the flop because as I said he calls too much (just PF as far as I could tell, but that often translates), so perhaps we can valuetown his AK. He could just check behind on flop easily.