3-bet pot against annette_15

Thought this might generate some interesting discussion. We've been playing a while, she 3bets like 18%, somewhat polarized although i did see her 3-bet AT when we were shallower. She double barrels a good amount, seems basically capable of anything (but she isn't an aggrotard, she just is capable). I dont think ive even gotten in a hand where she double barrel and i called two streets in a 3-bet pot.

What she's seen of me: She's seen me raise Q3 on a QTT flop when we were shallower in a 3-bet pot and get it in. I sometimes 4bet bluff but dont 4bet often. She's seen many hands where ive taken passive lines with monsters on early streets.

fwiw on the flop, from the feel i got from her betsizing, the bet seemed weak. On the river it was pretty much an instashove.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($6136)
BB ($3454)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7
Hero bets $60, BB raises to $240, Hero calls $180

Flop: ($480) 8, K, 3 (2 players)
BB bets $260, Hero calls $260

Turn: ($1000) A (2 players)
BB bets $720, Hero calls $720

River: ($2440) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $2234 (All-In)

also shes seen me call and showdown AJ on the flop here on a similar board.

this

Originally Posted by Massimo

She's seen many hands where ive taken passive lines with monsters on early streets.

and this

Originally Posted by Massimo

also shes seen me call and showdown AJ on the flop here on a similar board.

makes me want to fold cause I don't expect her to think any deeper than that.

On this board she can have a lot of value hands that she'd be willing to do this with, possibly any Kx or Ax that the best play for her is to shove the river instead of c/f. From what I can tell her range is stronger than your own in this spot and there are probably better hands/situations to call her than an 8. Are we instacalling with KQo?

I also usually fold the turn here although I dont know how good that is since I know this is a good 2 barreling card for her. My very basic thought process is: she can value bet me thinly here so she's able to bluff me alot too.

man i would just fold turn, i know you didn't want to hear that

as for river only you really know if this is a call, its gonna look like a fold to any outsider, for all the standard reason: she can have a huge range of value, pot odds not great, no bluff combinations other than total air that decided to bet three streets, etc.

also I wonder about raising the flop for the simple purposes of narrowing your getting-hosed-on-the-turn-and-river range, and since you mentioned the history of raising weak top pairs in position.

i cant imagine calling here being +EV

id fold turn and as played fold river- i think bad pot odds and really wide value range given how much she 3bets is good enough reasoning

alright alright maybe not so interesting (interesting that i actually wanted to call). Sometimes i think my opponent is thinking or deeply than he or she is, meelooche made a good point.

I actually did call and lost to QJcc.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

id fold turn and as played fold river- i think bad pot odds and really wide value range given how much she 3bets is good enough reasoning

hmm, that's why i thought the AJ was relevant, it shrinks her value range. But i think as meelooche pointed out it probably just encourages her not to bluff.

lol i got alot to learn if this river call is even worth considering..sigh