Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
ok then bet the turn when he checks
I agree we shouldn't check behind turn, so where is my extra value from AK/KQ?

Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
EDIT: I think we can all agree though that shoving only gets called by better hands like 98% of the time right?
I also agree we almost always get called by worse.
But there is more into it. We also pick up the pot very often....and never get outdrawn by AK or AQ. This translates with the "Win the Big Pots Right Away" thing of ToP.
If there also is a possibility that villain has AJs sometimes, our EV goes way up.

Calling is by far the best option if we:
1. really are only up to JJ+, AK alway here
2. and villain always folds AK to a shove
3. and never 2nd barrels without hitting

But raising/shoving gets better the more of the following are true:
- the more often villain 2nd barrels the turn without hitting
- and/or the more unmade hands he has that can outdraw us
- and/or the more worse hands he calls a flop shove with

Of course remaining stack sizes are important as well.

Somewhere out there is a breaking point. I guess it is quite hard to decide whether it is crossed in this situation.
But it is important to understand that it sure as hell can be better to shove when you're only going to get called by better hands.