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  1. #1

    Default 3 hands, more spots I hate.

    1. Villain is a moran he's 39/12/1.3 over 110 hands. I'd 3 bet pre here vs this reg usually but this guy seemed bad enough that keeping him in the pot would be more +EV. On the flop I think he can have a bunch of top pair bullshit and draws aswell as sets and 2 pair. His turn bet is uber gay, and could be like 9x that doesnt know wtf to do. I have some equity vs his non strong flushes so decided to call, but this may even be a fold given how dead I can be here sometimes. On the river b/f smallish seems about right, given he shouldn't shove anything less than KT or a flush, I hope lolz, and he's too much of a moran to fold 2 pair or sets.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($168.10)
    Hero (SB) ($112.65)
    BB ($109.15)
    UTG ($100)
    MP ($100)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
    2 folds, Button bets $3, Hero calls $2.50, BB calls $2

    Flop: ($9) 8, 9, 4 (3 players)
    Hero bets $6, BB raises $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $6

    Turn: ($33) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $12, Hero calls $12

    River: ($57) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $21, BB raises $82.15 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $99

    2. Villain is an aggro looking moron. Not been here long and is 80/0 over 20 hands. Decided I'd c/c flop to get him to spazz with his likely lol wide range, bet sizing is rather annoying though. C betting is likely fine aswell. Is this okay? On better turns I'd c/c again.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($100)
    SB ($101.40)
    Hero (BB) ($115.95)
    UTG ($113.05)
    MP ($55.90)
    CO ($190.95)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
    1 fold, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero bets $4, MP calls $4, 1 fold

    Flop: ($11.50) Q, 8, 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $14, Hero calls $14

    Turn: ($39.50) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $36.90 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $39.50

    3. Villain is 17/11 3.4% 3 bet over 240 hands. He folds to 22% of c bets, but I haven;t seen him take a line like this yet. Easy fold on this turn? It's possible he can have AA KK QQ, but I'm not sure enough to stick a meaningful amount of combos of these in his range.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP ($100)
    Button ($97.90)
    Hero (SB) ($107.65)
    BB ($119.60)
    UTG ($101.50)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 3
    3 folds, Hero bets $2.90, BB calls $2.40

    Flop: ($6.80) 5, 7, 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4.25, BB calls $4.25

    Turn: ($15.30) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $12, BB raises $37, Hero?
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    1. I see your point but I still prefer c/f river or a smaller bet. Not folding turn for this price.

    2. meh, i'd fold to his crazy flop bet without more reads.

    3. I guess folding can't be too bad vs this nit.

    Edit: turn comment was for hand 1 not hand 2.
    Last edited by pocketfours; 08-24-2010 at 03:17 PM.
  3. #3
    Bear in mind that I'm a micro-staker lot worse than you. Just trying to get used to analyze complicated situations such as these you presented.

    Hand 1:
    Calling PF isnt bad as his range is wide here. I dont get why you're donk betting the flop to such an aggro maniac villain. I would check-call expecting him to Cbet his whole range. As played, the call on the turn is OK...his bet sizing is strange, but you have 2 draws and some showdown value.

    I would not lead the river against him here. I dont see him calling here with less than a FD. I would check/call river assuming that he is betting wider than he is calling. Given the action and the board, our straight isnt that good and we're hoping to get cheaper to showdown.

    As played, is a fold.

    Hand 2:
    I dont know about you guys, but I'm folding to the overbet in the flop. With mid pair i'm not willing to play such a big pot like this. He tends to be passive when he does not hit the flop (60/0), so...I'll give him credit and wait for a better spot. I don't think a 60/0 would bet this with a straight draw...his line is more consistent with sets or 2-pairs. He is a donk...you will get his money eventually.

    Hand 3:
    He is representing a set here (55, 77, JJ) but if you think he could overplay overpairs or bluff with overcards assuming that the board did not hit you...you should call and check-call river if you get a fair price.

    To be honest, I would probably give him credit for a set here. Tight players are used to set mine (their range of calls has lots of PPs). I dont see enough strong draws or made hands in his range that are not a set. With KK-QQ he would probably 3 bet you to PF and I dont think he is calling with 46 PF (which would give him a made straight) or cards that make straight draws. AA is possible and KK-QQ less likely.

    Analyzing here in the forum, I want to say it is a fold, but I dont know if I would manage to fold a set in the heat of the game...
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Raoni_Poker View Post
    Bear in mind that I'm a micro-staker lot worse than you. Just trying to get used to analyze complicated situations such as these you presented.

    Hand 1:
    Calling PF isnt bad as his range is wide here. I dont get why you're donk betting the flop to such an aggro maniac villain. I would check-call expecting him to Cbet his whole range. As played, the call on the turn is OK...his bet sizing is strange, but you have 2 draws and some showdown value.

    I would not lead the river against him here. I dont see him calling here with less than a FD. I would check/call river assuming that he is betting wider than he is calling. Given the action and the board, our straight isnt that good and we're hoping to get cheaper to showdown.

    As played, is a fold.

    Hand 2:
    I dont know about you guys, but I'm folding to the overbet in the flop. With mid pair i'm not willing to play such a big pot like this. He tends to be passive when he does not hit the flop (60/0), so...I'll give him credit and wait for a better spot. I don't think a 60/0 would bet this with a straight draw...his line is more consistent with sets or 2-pairs. He is a donk...you will get his money eventually.

    Hand 3:
    He is representing a set here (55, 77, JJ) but if you think he could overplay overpairs or bluff with overcards assuming that the board did not hit you...you should call and check-call river if you get a fair price.

    To be honest, I would probably give him credit for a set here. Tight players are used to set mine (their range of calls has lots of PPs). I dont see enough strong draws or made hands in his range that are not a set. With KK-QQ he would probably 3 bet you to PF and I dont think he is calling with 46 PF (which would give him a made straight) or cards that make straight draws. AA is possible and KK-QQ less likely.

    Analyzing here in the forum, I want to say it is a fold, but I dont know if I would manage to fold a set in the heat of the game...
    1. The preflop raiser is not an aggro maniac, he's a reg and isn't going to c bet this flop very lightly at all. The fish this hand ends up being against also isn't an aggro maniac but just cearly a fish. C/C the river is a pretty terrible idea since he has pretty much no air here so we have to hope he's rnadomly jamming like a moron with a set or something and the reason I b/f the river is because he isn't doing this. Someone's vpip and pfr don't tell you every thing about the player, we can't just assume because he plays a lot of hands preflop that he is going to go mental on this board where he usually has at least plenty sd value and at most has us crushed. His betting range is certainly not wider than his calling range.

    2. Again, just because he doesn't raise preflop over 20 hands, does not mean he is automatically passive postflop, note I said he looked as though he was the oppoisite. Yeah I think folding to this flop bet is best until we've seen him use this sizing with a weak range.

    3. I hate folding sets in the heat of the action on dry boards, I really wanted to though in this case

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