Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
personally I tend to get spewy when I 3-bet AK and I get to the turn unimproved. for whatever reason, I seem to play the turn better when I've "trapped" the agressor on the flop and the big decision is my action OOP on 4th street.
i think this is why i got so much from that thought process. i am the same way.

I do however think that picking up villain's c bet when he has a weak air or low PP hand on flop is good argument in favour of flatting pre (since these hands just fold usually to the 3-bet), as well as what I mentioned about backing into 6 outs on the turn after checkraising rather than being the aggressor.
again, i completely agree.

balancing this with overpairs and flopped sets after you get caught is pretty obvious...
maybe i missed this one, though. what do we do on the turn when we got called, and didnt hit our 6 outer. we now officially have air, and cant be confident in firing again. seems all that does is build a pot for villain. anyone who calls our 3bet and calls our c/r on flop is either super strong and "trappy" or just the biggest donkey i've seen in awhile.

and, btw, i got a chance to try it last night. i had AK from bb and villain popped the raise. i called, like usual, and c/r'ed the flop, not usual for me. board was only T high, and he said he dropped JJ! i dont know if i believe him, but i guarantee you he was thinking, "its so obvious you have a set. this is an easy laydown, you donkey."

obv, it was only one time, but it sure looked good to me.

and a small humorous comment to minSim...when you said that backdoor draws are good for 2 streets ONLY, i went, "well, duh. how many backdoors do you get on the turn that complete on the river?" i had to giggle to myself at that one. but, i know what you meant. it was just funny.