5-10 full ring 1010

***** Hand History for Game 4604480349 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, June 27, 16:55:51 ET 2006
Table Table 96254 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Pokerator___ ( $1348 )
Seat 9: WhaataBLUFF ( $289 )
Seat 3: pokerjedi86 ( $1174.75 )
Seat 5: RamondoRock ( $1101.25 )
Seat 7: bigboss12111 ( $180 )
Seat 6: tim_gentry ( $399 )
Seat 8: cyabluffing ( $828 )
Seat 4: PleazeBet ( $572.66 )
Seat 2: Simmsy8 ( $310 )
PleazeBet posts small blind [$5].
tim_gentry posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pokerjedi86 [ Tc Th ]
bigboss12111 folds.
>You have options at Table 96627 (No DP) Table!.
cyabluffing calls [$10].
WhaataBLUFF folds.
>You have options at Table 96446 (No DP) Table!.
Pokerator___ folds.
Simmsy8 folds.
pokerjedi86 raises [$45].
>You have options at Table 96446 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 96627 (No DP) Table!.
PleazeBet folds.
>You have options at Table 95433 (No DP) Table!.
tim_gentry calls [$35].
cyabluffing calls [$35].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 8s, 3c ]
tim_gentry checks.
>You have options at Table 95433 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 96446 (No DP) Table!.
cyabluffing checks.
>You have options at Chrisycate (No DP) Table!.
pokerjedi86 bets [$90].
>You have options at Table 96627 (No DP) Table!.
tim_gentry folds.
>You have options at Table 96446 (No DP) Table!.
cyabluffing calls [$90].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
>You have options at Spare Time (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 96097 (No DP) Table!.
cyabluffing checks.
>You have options at Terris Toy Table!.
>You have options at Table 95433 (No DP) Table!.
pokerjedi86 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
>You have options at Spare Time (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 96446 (No DP) Table!.
cyabluffing bets [$300].
pokerjedi86 folds.
cyabluffing does not show cards.
cyabluffing wins $617

Standard? Viallain is completely unknown.

i would bet more on flop but otherwise i play the same

It really looks like you have 2 high cards that missed.
My first thought was to check behind on the turn as well, but that's a tough river.

Villian limp calls... so he could have 88, or even 34/56/67. Can't really give him credit for quads or JJ-AA.

I guess with no reads it's a fold... but a tough one. I think I fold 77 here always, but TT??

I think if you are going to fold for 300 more, you might be better off betting the turn again for say 200 or so. Any action at all (call or raise) and you are done.

Am I missing something obvious?

Originally Posted by zenbitz

I think if you are going to fold for 300 more, you might be better off betting the turn again for say 200 or so. Any action at all (call or raise) and you are done.

Am I missing something obvious?

I don't see what that accomplishes. If TT is good here, the villain probably has 5 outs at best, and I sure don't think it's a money-making play to try to push an unknown player off a hand that beats TT on this board.

If he was floating he wouldn't bet the river right?

Though I see countless players making this fundamental mistake at 400NL.

its impossible to float out of position, thats just not floating

Originally Posted by gabe

its impossible to float out of position, thats just not floating

What is it then? In my mind floating is putting a person on missed overs and calling their bets because of this. You can do this OOP, it sucks because even if you are right on the flop, they get a free card on the river.

Unless this is people with 2pr/set who make no money off my missed overs?

What is it then?

pf call, flop call, turn raise with any 2

its calling a flop bet in position planning on stealing the pot on a later street. if you are out of position the bluff bet (which ends up happening on the river instead of the turn) gets picked off way too much when people check behind the turn with pairs on dry boards. when the board is draw heavy, the original bettor can fire another barrel and you lose any opportunity to steal the pot.

lots of problems come up out of position

Originally Posted by AHiltz

What is it then?

pf call, flop call, turn raise with any 2

I'm talking about pf call, flop call, turn goes check, check and then they bet a non A river.

granted, that works against weak players, but i dont think its 'floating'

shit it works against me

you probably arent firing again on the turn often enough when you miss

thats one of the most important skills in these aggressive 6max games

Ya I need to work on that.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Originally Posted by zenbitz

I think if you are going to fold for 300 more, you might be better off betting the turn again for say 200 or so. Any action at all (call or raise) and you are done.

Am I missing something obvious?

I don't see what that accomplishes. If TT is good here, the villain probably has 5 outs at best, and I sure don't think it's a money-making play to try to push an unknown player off a hand that beats TT on this board.

I see your point, but I guess I don't understand check-behind turn fold river with an overpair, even on a paired board.

Aces line is basically:
TT no good here
-or-
villian never bluffs river

Which is not necessarily wrong.

Standard until the river fold. You got pot control, and induced the bluff so now call it.

shit it works against me

check out your vpip, thats why it works