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    Default 5/10: srsly wtf spot vs fish?

    Villain is 40/7/3.5 aggro weirdo. Bashes everyone at the table like he would be drunk. I'm 34/28/3 and my image is bad. I've isolated this same villain many times and he's never folded.

    Seat 3: UTG ($1,526.20 in chips)
    Seat 6: CUTOFF ($4,209.55 in chips)
    Seat 8: HERO [ 7S,10S ] ($1,000.00 in chips)
    Seat 9: SB ($900.00 in chips)
    Seat 10: BB ($202.00 in chips)
    ANTES/BLINDS
    SB posts blind ($5), BB posts blind ($10).

    PRE-FLOP
    UTG calls $10, CUTOFF folds, HERO bets $45, SB folds, BB calls $35, UTG calls $35.

    FLOP [board cards 7C,10H,JC ] (pot $140)
    BB bets $50, UTG bets $300, HERO scratches his head...
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    I'd really like more postflop info but I usually shove vs. this guy as described.
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    BB is short and I'm assuming that UTG is reatarded?
    Easy shove.

    That said pre-flop is a little light by even my standards. Why not just over-limp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    BB is short and I'm assuming that UTG is reatarded?
    Easy shove.

    That said pre-flop is a little light by even my standards. Why not just over-limp?
    I actually think raising is better than over limping with this hand at 5/10+ because people tend to punish multiple limpers with a very high frequency.

    And yeah I'm getting it in here.
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    After the fish limps, how frisky are they going to get from the SB/BB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    After the fish limps, how frisky are they going to get from the SB/BB?
    IMO pretty frisky, ita half dead money and most regulars are not limping premium hands behind.
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    I've isolated this same villain many times and he's never folded.
    If he's never folding then is it +EV for us to isolate with this hand? I don't mind the isolate if he folds preflop or postflop but if he's never folding and his stack/pot ratio is infinity then I like limping. I think this is what Fnord is getting at.

    Also, what range would a good villain raise from the blinds with here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
    I've isolated this same villain many times and he's never folded.
    If he's never folding then is it +EV for us to isolate with this hand? I don't mind the isolate if he folds preflop or postflop but if he's never folding and his stack/pot ratio is infinity then I like limping. I think this is what Fnord is getting at.

    Also, what range would a good villain raise from the blinds with here?
    If he never folds a 40% pf hand range he should be pretty easy to outplay postflop in pos with your raising hand range. A good player is probably raising at least 20% of all hands in the blinds in this spot.
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    I think T7s is really too bad to play a 3-way pot with, especially without the preflop lead, so I think fold > limp. And as Cocco said, the blinds will be taxing us with a very wide range.

    I think vs a fish with a 40% range, in position, with the preflop lead, this is going to be a slightly +EV play.

    I did shove here, but I think it's very close. If the board was rainbow I think this would be a very standard fold. It feels retarded to play T7s and then fold it when both cards pair, but bottom two is never going to dominate a hand that has raised and reraised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours
    I think T7s is really too bad to play a 3-way pot with, especially without the preflop lead.
    Over-limping the button is a pretty steady revenue stream for me. Although I can see frisky blinds changing that around. In any case I'm ESTATIC to see a flop on the button with T7s against terrible players.
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    preflop, limping is plus ev for sure because guy is so bad and our hand has nut potential

    Even if he's never folded i'd isolate , and i'd isolate a bit bigger than you did, maybe another bb or so, since u are kinda rooting for a fold, and to discourage 3-bets from behind. When he still calls you'll make slightly more profitable plays postflop due to the larger pot size.

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