50nl KK OOP vs limp/call

50nl 6max, Hero is BB, No reads or stats

Seat 1: Button ($52.55)
Seat 2: SB ($50.25)
Seat 3: Hero ($62.20)
Seat 4: UTG ($26.20)
Seat 5: MP ($62.20)
Seat 6: CO ($150.75)
Reserved posts the small blind of $0.25
m_mathers_69 posts the big blind of $0.50

Dealt to Hero [K K]
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, CO calls

Flop: [5 4 J] (Pot: $5.25)
Hero bets $5, CO calls

Turn: [5 4 J ] [6 ] (Pot: $15.25)
Hero bets $11, CO calls

River: [5 4 J 6] [4] (Pot: $37.25)
Hero bets $18, CO raises to $91.25, Hero calls $25.95 and is all in

Raise more pre-flop. You don't want to be in pot-building mode with your range here.

What about the river? Think a check/call is better here?

I play this hand so fast that I don't have to worry much about river play.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

What about the river? Think a check/call is better here?

It's usually what I do hoping to get a bricked flush draw to bet. Either way I don't see how you can fold to his push.

raise to 3-3.5 pre, 4/5 the pot on flop, commit on turn.

Originally Posted by Renton

raise to 3-3.5 pre, 4/5 the pot on flop, commit on turn.

So let's say raise to $3.50 pf, get same caller, flop pot is $7.75. Bet $6, get called. Turn pot is $19.75, and Hero has $52.70 behind. How do we commit on turn?

Edit: Okay that's not really what I meant to ask. I think here we should try to kill his implied odds on draws, and the best draw he has is 9 outs. The current pot + our remaining stack is about $72.50, and we need to give him worse than 4.1:1. If we just bet the pot, we give him a little worse than 3:1. First question, am I right in thinking this is sufficient? Second question, am I totally off base about how I'm trying to handle the hand?

omg...OMG OBV RAISE MORE PREFLOP...ARE YOU A FISH? JESUS

Originally Posted by star5328

omg...OMG OBV RAISE MORE PREFLOP...ARE YOU A FISH? JESUS

It's all good, I went on monkey tilt a bit after this hand but chased my losses at 100nl and won, so yah it's all good.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by Renton

raise to 3-3.5 pre, 4/5 the pot on flop, commit on turn.

So let's say raise to $3.50 pf, get same caller, flop pot is $7.75. Bet $6, get called. Turn pot is $19.75, and Hero has $52.70 behind. How do we commit on turn?

Edit: Okay that's not really what I meant to ask. I think here we should try to kill his implied odds on draws, and the best draw he has is 9 outs. The current pot + our remaining stack is about $72.50, and we need to give him worse than 4.1:1. If we just bet the pot, we give him a little worse than 3:1. First question, am I right in thinking this is sufficient? Second question, am I totally off base about how I'm trying to handle the hand?

betting the pot always gives opp 2:1

Originally Posted by apunisher

betting the pot always gives opp 2:1

I'm talking about implied odds, not immediate pot odds.

Edit: Bleh I'll explain cuz I doubt you got what I meant. If I give him bad implied odds for any draw on the turn, that means I can call down on the river whether he hits or not and it still be +EV (this is assuming he's on a draw). This way you don't have to worry about what to do if, for example, the flush draw completes on the river.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

How do we commit on turn?

if he's aggressive, check/shove. If not, just bet 3/4+ the pot and you'll essentially be committed.

If you think he has u beat, then you can take more of a valuetown line like 1/2 pot turn and fold to a shove, then check/call river.

Originally Posted by Renton

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

How do we commit on turn?

if he's aggressive, check/shove. If not, just bet 3/4+ the pot and you'll essentially be committed.

If you think he has u beat, then you can take more of a valuetown line like 1/2 pot turn and fold to a shove, then check/call river.

Gotcha.

Originally Posted by star5328

omg...OMG OBV RAISE MORE PREFLOP...ARE YOU A FISH? JESUS

btw this is his hand and villian has 23 LOL PWNT