50nl set in 3bet pot line check

Villain is tagg and so am I. Line check because I do not know what the heck I am doing in this hand.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($51.85)
MP ($23.40)
CO ($79.35)
Button ($50)
SB ($62.20)
BB ($26.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, 10
Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $5.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.75) 10, Q, J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($24.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

River: ($55.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $51.85 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $55.75 | Rake: $2.75

you put half of your stack in and fold river? Let's go back to the flop

ok let's assume villain only 3bs for value:
Board: Tc Qh Js

Hand 0: 53.304% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 46.696% { TdTh }

if we felt flop we're putting $46.35 left in our stack to win $104.45 so we need 44.37% so we should not get it in if his range is exactly JJ+,AK on this flop. But if he has some other hands like AQ in his range then we should still get it in.
I'd minraise/get it in on the flop

fold pre, your life is gonna be rather difficult oop with 1010 considering he's nearly always 3 betting for value.

Postflop, meh, your obv looking at a gay cooler situation but there's no way you can fold given that he can be value owning himself with kk/aa/aq. Btw you can't really go wrong with most lines postflop as long as you don't fold. Against better players raising is bad as theyll fold most of their range that you beat but against your typical 50nl guy raising can't be bad.

it depends on reads, I actually will 3b an UTG raiser some of the time light because of exactly what you said, they'll think I'm 3bing for value and fold hands they usually call with

that said against some people it's a super standard call and against others it's a close fold
but when we call it's usually not a huge mistake because this is the second strongest hand in our 3b calling range

iopq is retarded, just fold pre, lol @ playing TT OOP v "TAgg" villains

Originally Posted by Instant Aces

iopq is retarded, just fold pre, lol @ playing TT OOP v "TAgg" villains

so our calling range is basically JJ and AQs a whopping 10 combos

Also, he didn't say whether he was good or not
if this "tagg" is bad then it's a call and if he's good then it's a fold

Id say fold TT PF to a 3bet OOP without a better read on vils 3 betting range. Did you have a plan for calling here? Was it purely for set value? Or hoping to whiff an A or K on flop? If you had a plan lets us know you read/table dynamic may lead you to a unconventional line and thats ok sometimes. But this hand seems pretty standard. I know it sucks having to fold TT Pre but at NL 50 in general like ipog said the 3 bet range from TAGs can be pretty tight.
As played Im prolly still calling this river. I dont have poker stove on work computer but would like to see our Equity vs his 3 bet value range.

meh why do we even have to have a calling range

Originally Posted by Parasurama

meh why do we even have to have a calling range

yah I'd fold pre unless I had very strong reads that villain gets out of line vs EP raisers.

Originally Posted by Parasurama

meh why do we even have to have a calling range

we don't. I'd fold pre as well.

Originally Posted by Parasurama

meh why do we even have to have a calling range

let's see
say we call it off vs. a shove with JJ+,AK
villain shoves it in with A5s, has 30.7% vs. our calling range
total pot is 208.9bb, it costs him 92.7bb to shove, he gains 64.1bb out of the total in the pot so his bluff costs him 28.6 but he gains 25 when you fold (so he profits when we 4b bluff more than 53%)
that means if we open 16% UTG, we felt top 3%, we 4b bluff NO MORE than 3%, so we fold to a 3b 10% of our range which is 62.5%

he risks 11BB to win 5BB, so we need to fold 68.5% of the time which we don't

however we can only call it off with JJ against people who have an overall 3b of over 10% over a large sample
this is because CO vs. UTG 3b is usually 65% according to hem's article and we need 6.5% to felt jacks pre
similarly, we can felt jacks BvB against someone with a 5% 3b because their 3b is going to be the highest from the BB against SB and will probably be 6.5% in this case

let's do the same thing for QQ+,AK
now our range is 2.6%, and we can 4b bluff an additional 2.6% so now we 4b 5.2% of the time, fold 10.8 out of 16 for 67.5%

so we're not exploitable to a 3b bluff if we open 16%

now we just need to see whether it's EV+ to call with TT which is a bit harder :O

You can do all the math you want, but none of the math will show you the kind of nightmare spot you'll be in calling TT OOP to a 3bet vs any kind of decent player.

If I was so worried about being exploited in this kind of spot, I'd adjust by either 4bet bluffing more or flatting KK/AA OOP to the 3bet if I thought they were light.

At these stakes, this just isn't the kind of spot you should be worried about being exploited in.

Originally Posted by griffey24

You can do all the math you want, but none of the math will show you the kind of nightmare spot you'll be in calling TT OOP to a 3bet vs any kind of decent player.

If I was so worried about being exploited in this kind of spot, I'd adjust by either 4bet bluffing more or flatting KK/AA OOP to the 3bet if I thought they were light.

At these stakes, this just isn't the kind of spot you should be worried about being exploited in.

Sick post. Have to agree with this.

The last sentence, though, is iffy. Some people 3bet light the shit out of me UTG as well as others.

Originally Posted by griffey24

You can do all the math you want, but none of the math will show you the kind of nightmare spot you'll be in calling TT OOP to a 3bet vs any kind of decent player.

If I was so worried about being exploited in this kind of spot, I'd adjust by either 4bet bluffing more or flatting KK/AA OOP to the 3bet if I thought they were light.

At these stakes, this just isn't the kind of spot you should be worried about being exploited in.

my math said that we don't have to have a flatting range