50NL: TPTK vs nit facing huge action

Thanks guys!

On the hand, my plan was to make villain pay for lower Top pairs + FD and fold to this kind of aggression. I posted the hand to see what you guys thought about ...

@griffey24: Don't you think villain would call with AQ/AJ/AT + FD type hands?

Originally Posted by jimmy44

Thanks guys!

On the hand, my plan was to make villain pay for lower Top pairs + FD and fold to this kind of aggression. I posted the hand to see what you guys thought about ...

@griffey24: Don't you think villain would call with AQ/AJ/AT + FD type hands?

It's possible. Though he'd be way more likely to lead with 9T,999,TTT,AT,A9,QJdd,JTdd,78dd (all of which will 3bet after you raise).

I don't see why he wouldn't just c/c with top pair + FD, he has top pair so doesn't need to bluff, and can bluff catch your continuation bets.

I meant that villain would c/c with those hands (Top pair + FD) so we have to raise his donk bet, right?

Originally Posted by jimmy44

I meant that villain would c/c with those hands (Top pair + FD) so we have to raise his donk bet, right?

This is backwards isn't it? If you assume he will c/c with those hands, that's even LESS combo's that we're theoretically ahead of vs his donking range.

Instead of having a bunch of top pair hands plus draws that we beat, now we're only left with hands that are folding, and 3betting us that are ahead or have a combo draw. Maybe a random AQ once in a while, but putting all AQ combos in your range is prob pretty optimistic.

Originally Posted by griffey24

This is backwards isn't it? If you assume he will c/c with those hands, that's even LESS combo's that we're theoretically ahead of vs his donking range.

Instead of having a bunch of top pair hands plus draws that we beat, now we're only left with hands that are folding, and 3betting us that are ahead or have a combo draw. Maybe a random AQ once in a while, but putting all AQ combos in your range is prob pretty optimistic.

Yes, I got messed up here ... I forgot that villain lead.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

yeah i don't think raising the flop is terrible or anything, but now it's a fold. Generally speaking I don't mind just calling down here - we're not gonna get it in that great vs draws and it's pretty rare that a tight player is going to donk-lead/call with worse here very often.

So you think a tight played would rarely donk-lead/call with FD?
Maybe I'm too optimistic ...

Thanks again guys!