600NL craziness

So I decided to play outside my roll for a bit today(only have like 12 buyins or something) and play some 600NL. These people are absolutely insane. They'll raise up to 6xbb with absolute crap on a consistent basis. I really don't see how you deal with the crazy lags at this level. Here are a couple hands from today. I dropped about $800 to begin with, then I made back about $300 and played some 400NL later to make back about another $300 to end up down about $200 for the day. I don't think I'll venture up here again for quite sometime.


Hand #1:
Do you push this one or see the turn and then push if its not a scary draw completing card? The board was really draw heavy so I didn't really expect a call...

POKERSTARS GAME #2410882344: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2005/08/24 - 04:56:19 (ET)
Table 'Isis' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: Strumpan ($403.50 in chips)
Seat 5: andr3w321 ($580.25 in chips)
Seat 6: MI D Rock ($296.60 in chips)
MI D Rock: posts small blind $3
Strumpan: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [:Qs: :Qd:]
andr3w321: raises $12 to $18
MI D Rock: folds
Strumpan: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Strumpan: checks
andr3w321: bets $36
Strumpan: raises $48 to $84
andr3w321: raises $478.25 to $562.25 and is all-in
Strumpan: calls $301.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5h 4d 6d] [:Ks:]
*** RIVER *** [5h 4d 6d Ks] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Strumpan: shows [5d Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
andr3w321: mucks hand
Strumpan collected $809 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $810 | Rake $1
Board [5h 4d 6d Ks 9d]
Seat 4: Strumpan (big blind) showed [5d Ad] and won ($809) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: andr3w321 (button) mucked [Qs Qd]
Seat 6: MI D Rock (small blind) folded before Flop

Hand #2:
Okay wtf on this one this guy's raising J2s? This hand isn't really up for analysis I was just shocked at his bad play. Is this normal at this level?

POKERSTARS GAME #2410886628: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2005/08/24 - 04:59:34 (ET)
Table 'Isis' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: DocTiger ($120 in chips)
Seat 5: andr3w321 ($434.75 in chips)
Seat 6: MI D Rock ($351.70 in chips)
DocTiger: posts small blind $3
andr3w321: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [ :Kh:]
MI D Rock: folds
DocTiger: raises $12 to $18
andr3w321: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [:Kc: ]
DocTiger: bets $6
MI D Rock leaves the table
andr3w321: raises $18 to $24
DocTiger: calls $18
*** TURN *** [Kc 4s 3c] []
DocTiger: bets $6
andr3w321: raises $386.75 to $392.75 and is all-in
DocTiger: calls $72 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4s 3c 8d] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DocTiger: shows [Jc 2c] (a pair of Deuces)
andr3w321: shows [4d Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
andr3w321 collected $239 from pot
DocTiger leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $240 | Rake $1
Board [Kc 4s 3c 8d 2s]
Seat 3: DocTiger (small blind) showed [Jc 2c] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 5: andr3w321 (big blind) showed [4d Kh] and won ($239) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 6: MI D Rock (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Hand #3:
Okay this guy moves AI on a 4 to a straight board. Would you have made this call?

POKERSTARS GAME #2410790140: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2005/08/24 - 04:06:26 (ET)
Table 'Almeisan II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: andr3w321 ($627.80 in chips)
Seat 5: egypt1177 ($89.40 in chips)
Seat 6: ForzzaVelez ($143.30 in chips)
egypt1177: posts small blind $3
ForzzaVelez: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [:Td: ]
andr3w321: calls $6
egypt1177: calls $3
ForzzaVelez: checks
*** FLOP *** [ :Jd:]
egypt1177: checks
ForzzaVelez: checks
andr3w321: checks
*** TURN *** [9h 6s Jd] []
egypt1177: checks
ForzzaVelez: checks
andr3w321: bets $12
egypt1177: raises $12 to $24
ForzzaVelez: folds
andr3w321: calls $12
*** RIVER *** [9h 6s Jd 8h] [:Th:]
egypt1177: bets $59.40 and is all-in
andr3w321: folds
egypt1177 collected $65 from pot
egypt1177: shows [8d 6c] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $66 | Rake $1
Board [9h 6s Jd 8h Th]
Seat 4: andr3w321 (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: egypt1177 (small blind) collected ($65)
Seat 6: ForzzaVelez (big blind) folded on the Turn

a loose aggressive player loves to rep a straight or flush, think about hand 3 depending on your read

nuts it hink im gonna skip 600nl when i get there

I'm going straight to 2000 NL. 600 sucks

Yes stay away from this game as long as possible. I tried playing it again yesterday underbankrolled and on tilt after losing to quad aces in the 500k gaurunteed on Stars. I dropped about 3k. Off to 400NL to rebuild and try to regain control of my emotions and bankroll...

Some brutal hands.

POKERSTARS GAME #2445952643: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2005/08/28 - 20:34:43 (ET)
Table 'Alfaterna' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: DSM30 ($582 in chips)
Seat 2: Yello man ($595.80 in chips)
Seat 3: jucifer ($799.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Bigcoddy ($168 in chips)
Seat 5: MiRrOrMaN_84 ($627.90 in chips)
Seat 6: egypt1177 ($120.30 in chips)
Seat 7: El Baldo ($281.90 in chips)
Seat 9: andr3w321 ($566.10 in chips)
DSM30: posts small blind $3
Yello man: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [:Js: :Qh:]
jucifer: folds
Bigcoddy: folds
MiRrOrMaN_84: folds
egypt1177: folds
El Baldo: calls $6
andr3w321: calls $6
DSM30: calls $3
Yello man: checks
*** FLOP *** [ :Jd: ]
DSM30: checks
Yello man: checks
El Baldo: bets $6
andr3w321: raises $18 to $24
DSM30: folds
Yello man: folds
El Baldo: raises $18 to $42
andr3w321: calls $18
*** TURN *** [7s Jd 3d] []
El Baldo: checks
andr3w321: bets $90
El Baldo: calls $90
*** RIVER *** [7s Jd 3d 6h] [:Td:]
tuition$ joins the table at seat #8
El Baldo: bets $72
andr3w321: folds
El Baldo collected $285 from pot
El Baldo: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $288 | Rake $3
Board [7s Jd 3d 6h Td]
Seat 1: DSM30 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Yello man (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: jucifer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Bigcoddy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MiRrOrMaN_84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: egypt1177 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: El Baldo collected ($285)
Seat 9: andr3w321 (button) folded on the River

I found this one hard to believe. Someone raises to 5xbb, gets 3 callers and no one bets the flop.

POKERSTARS GAME #2445776514: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2005/08/28 - 20:13:45 (ET)
Table 'Gaviola' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jucifer ($588 in chips)
Seat 2: Yello man ($869.10 in chips)
Seat 3: panther44 ($278.40 in chips)
Seat 5: andr3w321 ($497.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Maverick Sr. ($622.50 in chips)
Seat 7: MiRrOrMaN_84 ($678.80 in chips)
Seat 8: Pagame ($322.45 in chips)
Seat 9: MarpetMan ($182 in chips)
Yello man: posts small blind $3
panther44: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [ ]
andr3w321: calls $6
Maverick Sr.: calls $6
MiRrOrMaN_84: folds
Pagame: folds
MarpetMan: calls $6
jucifer: raises $24 to $30
Yello man: folds
panther44: folds
andr3w321: calls $24
Maverick Sr.: calls $24
MarpetMan: calls $24
*** FLOP *** [:Qd: :Js:]
andr3w321: checks
Maverick Sr.: checks
MarpetMan: checks
jucifer: checks
*** TURN *** [Qd 4h Js] [:Ks:]
andr3w321: bets $102
Maverick Sr.: folds
MarpetMan: raises $50 to $152 and is all-in
jucifer: folds
andr3w321: calls $50
*** RIVER *** [Qd 4h Js Ks] [:Ac:]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
andr3w321: shows [4d 4c] (three of a kind, Fours)
MarpetMan: shows [Ad Ts] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
MarpetMan collected $430 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $433 | Rake $3
Board [Qd 4h Js Ks Ac]
Seat 1: jucifer (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Yello man (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: panther44 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: andr3w321 showed [4d 4c] and lost with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 6: Maverick Sr. folded on the Turn
Seat 7: MiRrOrMaN_84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Pagame folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MarpetMan showed [Ad Ts] and won ($430) with a straight, Ten to Ace

and one 2/4 hand just to spice things up, do you believe this guy?

FullTiltPoker Game #199677010: Table Alta (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:21:06 ET - 2005/08/28
Seat 1: MrShowstoppa ($500.90)
Seat 2: dahlh79 ($429.10)
Seat 3: andr3w321 ($424.70)
Seat 4: drclovpro ($100)
Seat 5: smo ($178)
Seat 6: Pokawinner ($302.70)
andr3w321 posts the small blind of $2
drclovpro posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [ :Ts:]
smo raises to $8
Pokawinner folds
MrShowstoppa folds
dahlh79 calls $8
andr3w321 calls $6
drclovpro calls $4
*** FLOP *** [ ]
andr3w321 checks
drclovpro checks
smo checks
dahlh79 bets $20
andr3w321 calls $20
drclovpro folds
smo calls $20
*** TURN *** [2s 3c 9s] []
andr3w321 checks
smo bets $75
dahlh79 has 15 seconds left to act
dahlh79 folds
andr3w321 raises to $150
smo calls $75, and is all in
andr3w321 shows [7s Ts]
smo shows [As 3h]
*** RIVER *** [2s 3c 9s 3s] [:Ac:]
andr3w321 shows a flush, Ten high
smo shows a full house, Threes full of Aces
smo wins the pot ($389) with a full house, Threes full of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $392 | Rake $3
Board: [2s 3c 9s 3s Ac]
Seat 1: MrShowstoppa didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: dahlh79 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: andr3w321 (small blind) showed [7s Ts] and lost with a flush, Ten high
Seat 4: drclovpro (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: smo showed [As 3h] and won ($389) with a full house, Threes full of Aces
Seat 6: Pokawinner didn't bet (folded)

Besides min-raising A3o UTG his play doesnt seem so horrible to me.. he perhaps should've be more careful to bet on turn though..