9 high isn't good so i push

villian is TAG on a few of my tables, other than that no read.

is this good

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($678)
SB ($687.80)
BB ($407.25)
UTG ($288.51)
MP ($297)
Hero ($764.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, 9. SB posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $20, SB (poster) calls $17, 1 fold.

Flop: ($66) 8, K, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, Button calls $50, SB folds.

Turn: ($166) J (2 players)
Hero bets $150, Button calls $150.

River: ($466) 3 (2 players)
button has $450 left, i have him coverd so i push....

I don't think he's going anywhere. He probably calls this like 70% of the time. Being oop sucks. In position you might be able to tell if he's on some sort of draw but this really looks like a KJ/KQ type hand.

You'd think a tag would raise a good hand like 2 pair+ at some point, especially the turn. So it prob means he's weak or on a draw, which means a river bluff could work a lot, but 50%? In my last thread you wrote that big river bets look like bluffs...so why not bet river like 1/2 or 2/3 pot?

Another possibility is he sees you as a maniac and called down to induce this. That turn bet does seem committing. Being oop definitely sucks. I'd wait for a better read/situation for 3 barrells but I'm more conservative. Do you find this works a lot of the time?

Not my cup of tea.. but maybe it's necessary at the higher stakes to ever get paid on real hands? I don't really see the merit on an individual basis.. he called two pot-sized bets.. turn and river were pretty much blanks.. why would he fold to a PSB now?

Nice read. I can't even see a set playing this way as they would have made a move on the turn at least. Looks like he has AQs or he feels he can use his position if you back off. Only a set or possibly KJ would call this - both those hands make their move on the turn.

Originally Posted by r8ed

Only a set or possibly KJ would call this - both those hands make their move on the turn.

thats exactly what i was thinking.....if not the flop then def. by the turn

you're crazy, i'll never be able to play this high

I like this. I'm assuming you haven't been getting out of line, right? What do you think about c/r ai on the turn?

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

I like this. I'm assuming you haven't been getting out of line, right? What do you think about c/r ai on the turn?

check raising on turn seems bad because of how often he checks behind if hes on a draw

If this was me I would fold KQ/AK.

I don't like c/r turn because of what deepdish said.

so what hand that villian plays like this can he call with

I call u with top pair easy here....looks like a missed draw, i dont think i would try this vs. a good hand reader.

Originally Posted by gabe

so what hand that villian plays like this can he call with

against you A high

Regardless of what he has it was played poorly unless he can read you like a book. A set, KJ, AK, QQ(?), AA may be able to call this.

Originally Posted by theDEEPdish

check raising on turn seems bad because of how often he checks behind if hes on a draw

First of all, why is it a bad thing if the turn goes check/check? We get a free look at the river to make our draw. Also, villian could very well be floating the flop (hero did open on co and villian called on button). Lastly, I think you are assuming that villian checks behind all draws here, which I don't think is true at all.

On a side note, I'm not sure if you guys are being sarastic or not, but I don't think gabe is nearly as LAG/maniac as you guys view him, which is exactly why he expects this river push to be +EV.

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

w. Also, villian could very well be floating the flop

if we think sometimes his plan was to float, betting seems better than checking

i like this, a lot. looks like you have exactly KJ

So did he call w/ AQ and PWN U Gabe!!!???

he had AA and ..uh.... trapped me?

Originally Posted by Trikflow77

I call u with top pair easy here....looks like a missed draw, i dont think i would try this vs. a good hand reader.

obvvv he called.....if you put him on air or a weaker hand why not half pot it or so.....looking for max fold EQ?????

lol....i dont see how you can say missed draw when i bet every street i could

I think this is fine assuming that you have a set more often than not when you play a hand like this. If you get out of line too often, that's obviously exploitable by a decent TAG who knows how you play, and I think it's OK to occasionally just call someone down with a big hand on a draw-heavy board in order to rep the draw and induce a bluff from them when the draw misses.

i like how you played this. I love to see a one pair hand, esp something like AA or even KK if the flop was Qxx becasue it proves players will get it all in when we flop a monster hand here.

I still cant decide, even without the results whether i like how you played the river here. Tags dont call the turn with a draw here often do they?

Originally Posted by gabe

lol....i dont see how you can say missed draw when i bad every street i could

lol i thought he was betting into u the whole time......

kind of unrelated. but kind of relevant... not to the hand... but i m curious :

gabe what do you run at typically

or is this confidential information

oh yeah.

if u know he has AA I like the way you played it if you will be sitting with him a lot. he will prob pay you off big.

or he is just a mediocre player who will always slowplay and never fold AA. why would he do this against you if u are an unknown. i don t understand.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

kind of unrelated. but kind of relevant... not to the hand... but i m curious :

gabe what do you run at typically

or is this confidential information

depends on my mood

21/17 on weak passive tables, 18/13 on the other ones

cool thx