Aces Pointless Rambling Thread

[ilikeaces86]

Wasn't it just a week ago when I was saying I couldn't get reads while 4 tabling? I remember a response from you...what was it...?

"Reads, schmeads"

Seems oddly appropriate to bring up now

Forgive me father for I have sinned

[SmackinYaUp]

Hey aces, how about this hand. Too risky? To me, his bet said 'please fold'

I never bluff all-in, btw - but for some reason this hand felt different. If he had anything decent why not suck me in some more?

***** Hand History for Game 1885157273 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, April 12, 17:32:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 37177 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: royalakqjt ( $48.5 )
Seat 3: spasqua15 ( $49.95 )
Seat 4: SlappinYaUp ( $47.4 )
Seat 5: carsda ( $66.85 )
Seat 1: soogey ( $65.65 )
Seat 6: ssLAZIO1900 ( $38.45 )
SlappinYaUp posts small blind [$0.25].
carsda posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SlappinYaUp [ 9h Tc ]
ssLAZIO1900 folds.
soogey folds.
royalakqjt calls [$0.5].
spasqua15 calls [$0.5].
SlappinYaUp calls [$0.25].
carsda checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 3s, Th ]
SlappinYaUp bets [$2].
carsda calls [$2].
royalakqjt raises [$4].
spasqua15 folds.
SlappinYaUp calls [$2].
carsda folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
SlappinYaUp checks.
royalakqjt bets [$15].
SlappinYaUp is all-In.
royalakqjt folds.
SlappinYaUp does not show cards.
SlappinYaUp wins $67.9

[ender555]

[quote="ilikeaces86"]Oh man these new blinds are great!

quote]

what do u mean new blinds?

[ender555]

I have received some criticism for this call so please offer your 2cents on this call.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) converter

MP ($521)
Hero ($2601.75)
Button ($1015.25)
SB ($1285)
BB ($1087.3)
UTG ($1123)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, MP calls $10, Hero raises to $50, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $45, BB calls $40, UTG calls $40, MP folds.

Flop: ($210) 9, J, 6 (4 players)
SB bets $200, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $400, SB calls $200.

Turn: ($1010) 8 (2 players)
SB calls $835 (All-In), Hero calls $835.

River: ($2680) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $2680

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kd (one pair, kings).
SB has 8c 7c (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $2680.

Looking at that, I would've called too. I think he would've pushed on your re-raise instead of just calling it and then going all in on the next card. That looked like a bluff to me. nh

[michael1123]

Wow, you play the river strange, aces. On hands 1590499822 (97 for 3rd pair) and 1622155701 (AK for AK high) I'm surprised you minraised instead of just calling.

Not arguing your reads for thinking your ahead, but what's the point of raising with hands that you can't expect to get called with unless you're beat? If you've misread them you'll be saving yourself money by just calling, and if you're correct you're probably not going to be paid off after raising anyways. Seems pretty pointless.

Also there's the added benefit of saving yourself the possibility of being bluffed out of a mediocre but winning hand on a rereraise, once they catch onto how often you minraise the river with hands like these. Such could've easily been the case in the AA hand on the KxxKx board, for example. Is it really worth risking getting pushed off the hand in an attempt to milk so little more into the pot?

[michael1123]

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

CO ($1847.74)
Button ($914.5)
SB ($740)
BB ($3052)
Hero ($1000)
UTG+1 ($2131.25)
MP1 ($1107.4)
MP2 ($2137.75)
MP3 ($992.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T. SB posts a blind of $5.
Hero calls $10, 2 folds, MP2 calls $10, 2 folds, Button calls $10, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($45) 5, T, A (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30, MP2 folds, Button calls $30, BB folds.

Turn: ($105) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $102, Hero calls $102.

River: ($309) K (2 players)
Hero bets $306, Button calls $306.

Final Pot: $921

Results in white below:
Hero has Ts Th (full house, tens full of aces).
Button has 9c Jc (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $921.

I knew the guy had the flush draw and was hoping for that perfect turn card which came...too bad the rive was another club or I would of destacked him.

Your logic seems very off here. If you knew he had a flush on the turn, why didn't you bet? He'd likely come over the top of you, and then you could still make that play you were planning on doing of just calling the turn and checking the river to him if it wasn't a club and didn't pair the board again, making him sure his flush was good.

And even if he didn't raise you on the turn after you lead, there still would be a good chance that he'd raise you on the river, as long as it looked safe.

[michael1123]

QUICK NOTE FOR EVERYONE:

You shouldn't be posting your low stakes hands in this section / thread. We already have the Holdem Strategies section for that. If you're just posting the hand here because you'd like Aces to look at it, it'd be better to post it in the Holdem Strategies section and PM him a link to it, or just PM him the hand.

This thread is getting kind of cluttered, and not all posts are dealing with the subject matter.

[jmrogers7]

This thread is getting kind of cluttered, and not all posts are dealing with the subject matter.

There's a "subject matter" to a thread named "pointless rambling"?



j/k, couldn't resist.

[michael1123]

Haha, good point.

Come on guys, I didn't mean to stop all posting in this thread. Resume rambling!

[gabe]

QUICK NOTE FOR EVERYONE:

You shouldn't be posting your low stakes hands in this section / thread. We already have the Holdem Strategies section for that. If you're just posting the hand here because you'd like Aces to look at it, it'd be better to post it in the Holdem Strategies section and PM him a link to it, or just PM him the hand.

This thread is getting kind of cluttered, and not all posts are dealing with the subject matter.

the lower stakes hands were all posted when this thread was in a different forum

[michael1123]

Ah ha, thanks. Rilla didn't seem to do the best job of selecting which threads to move, but at least the majority of posts in this thread are fitting.

[a500lbgorilla]

Ah ha, thanks. Rilla didn't seem to do the best job of selecting which threads to move, but at least the majority of posts in this thread are fitting.

What do you mean?

I just moved everything that had big numbers in it.

Most of my moving was for short handed, I didn't find many threads to move in here anyway. I believe aces beat me to the punch.

-'rilla

[michael1123]

Ah, well some of ensign lee's threads I didn't think were fitting, and there was a comment in one of them that said it was originally in another section. I'll move the ones I don't think fit back.

Resume original rambling in this thread, this one fits fine.

[a500lbgorilla]

You fit fine in my

-'rilla

[allLiving]

How is his play here bad? Do you not like it because he cold-called pf and then folded to aggression on the flop that probably didn't hit him? With a decent hand, I might have done the same thing. I don't see what the problem with his play was here.

And to the subsequent hand... Woulda been sweet, eh?

- Jeffrey

He never said his play was bad.. He just wanted this player to bite his bet. Also aces, I think on this flop you should bet less than what you did preflop to try and induce a re-raise bluff.

[Irisheyes]

Bump.

a) because its a good thread.
b) I'm only half way through and I wan't to be able to find it tomorrow.

[Bmxicle]

i remember when he used to be cool, now all he does is play sngs.

[gabe]

i remember when he used to play real poker, now all he does is play sngs.

FYP

i think thats first fyp ive ever done

[gabe]

....and it wasnt even funny

[Irisheyes]

Meh.. I'll lol for you.

[ilikeaces86]

i remember when he used to be cool, now all he does is play sngs.

I love you too.

[ender555]

***** Hand History for Game 1856684632 *****
$600 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, April 06, 23:48:07 EDT 2005
Table Table 36989 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Extratopping ( $1273.1 )
Seat 4: amberman11 ( $451 )
Seat 5: DA_Puss ( $278.65 )
Seat 6: Raging__Bull ( $627 )
Seat 8: LiveTime ( $997.6 )
Seat 9: sqbedl2000 ( $789.15 )
Seat 2: nipper324 ( $692.8 )
Seat 10: MustSeeFlops ( $730.2 )
Seat 7: Dufresne ( $582 )
Seat 3: snowblindxxx ( $559 )
amberman11 posts small blind [$3].
DA_Puss posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ As 3s ]
Raging__Bull calls [$6].
Dufresne folds.
LiveTime folds.
sqbedl2000 folds.
MustSeeFlops calls [$6].
>You have options at Table 37141 Table!.
Extratopping calls [$6].
>You have options at Table 37088 Table!.
nipper324 raises [$27].
snowblindxxx folds.
amberman11 folds.
>You have options at Table 37141 Table!.
DA_Puss folds.
Raging__Bull folds.
MustSeeFlops folds.
Extratopping calls [$21].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 9s, 6s ]
Extratopping checks.
nipper324 bets [$50].
Extratopping calls [$50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
Extratopping checks.
nipper324 bets [$125].
Extratopping is all-In [$1196.1]
nipper324 is all-In [$490.8]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
nipper324 shows [ 9d, 8s ] a pair of nines.
Extratopping shows [ As, 3s ] a pair of threes.
Extratopping wins $580.3 from side pot #1 with a pair of threes.
nipper324 wins $1403.6 from the main pot with a pair of nines.

This guy is either real dumb or really smart!

I like this call here, i think you have a draw here 90% of time. the other 10% u have nut strait. it would be suicide to not raise that flop w/set/2pair, and also suicide to raise turn w/one pair.

Similar to a hand I just posted.