Another gay line from an unknown

First hand opponent bought in full, posted from CO, raised to 3x, I re-raised to 10x from the button with a couple cards that looked kinda shinny, he called. Flop was Ace - Broadway - rag - rainbow and he folded to my I still have two cards bet.

Hasn't really done much when this hand hit on his first orbit.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($236.30)
UTG+1 ($285.45)
CO ($199.00)
BTN ($35.55)
SB ($184.00)
Hero ($437.80)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
4 folds, SB raises to $10, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($20, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($40, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $40, SB raises to $70

Call? Push? Fold?

i dont get how he was in CO and you where in blinds then this hand you are BvB.

Anyway Id reckon its a fold alot but id prob call hoping he lets us go to showdown. also hoping he slows down since alot of riv cards change the baord.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

i dont get how he was in CO and you where in blinds then this hand you are BvB.

I guess I was the button then. Fixed my post.

Looks like someone playing outside their bankroll with a monster (or what they think is a monster)

fold and i fold pre until i find out that he's always 5xing it

<insert me quoting Kagey and Renton saying QFT here>

His range is still wide as a relative unknown in BvB. I probably call the original turn bet and reevaluate the river. Small hands = small pots without reads.
As played fold to turn 3bet. I have found small lead/3bet as a trixie monster too often.

so we called a 5xbb open and we are not snap getting it in for 92bb on this flop?...i dun like it.

Originally Posted by Renton

fold and i fold pre until i find out that he's always 5xing it

I have 2 pretty big cards and position. That's a pretty good spot blind vs blind in hold'em. Maybe I've just been watching too many BobboFitos videos....

Originally Posted by nutsinho

we are not snap getting it in for 92bb on this flop?...i dun like it.

I float a lot of flops with lots of money behind and run a bipolar raising range. Wrong approach?

This is precisely why I'm not ready for 200nl here. I can't even fathom being this far into this hand, forget about pushing.

Originally Posted by ib3x

This is precisely why I'm not ready for 200nl here. I can't even fathom being this far into this hand, forget about pushing.

That's why playing within your bankroll is important.

BTW FNORD, mini re-raises are the most annoying thing by an opponent. I don't know what to make of them against an unknown. Maybe I should start doing those too

well, I fold. I play low stakes 6 handed.Im afraid he has an 98.another hand pops along in a moment or two.

I'd call because he has a lot of draws.. then call a river bet on a blank because its a bluff a lot. He could have something lame like 910 but you are still ahead of a lot of hands that might raise there.

I am not sure what hand could profit from that small raise he did.. if he turned a set or something crazy I think he raises a bit more to get you off any draws. Of course he could be an idiot.. and likely is with that line.. lol

Tj

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($236.30)
UTG+1 ($285.45)
CO ($199.00)
BTN ($35.55)
SB ($184.00)
Hero ($437.80)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
4 folds, SB raises to $10, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($20, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($40, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $40, SB raises to $70, Hero calls $30

River: ($180, 2 players)
SB bets $44, Hero calls $44

Final Pot: $268
SB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $265 ( won +$131 )
SB lost -$134.00

I play so bad. Calling the turn fine or is it a shove/fold?

Originally Posted by Kid Style

Maybe I should start doing those too

Me too!

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($238.90)
UTG+1 ($288.75)
CO ($50.10)
BTN ($33.40)
Hero ($198.00)
BB ($183.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is SB
3 folds, BTN raises to $8, Hero calls $7, 1 fold

Flop: ($18, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero raises to $12, BTN raises to $20, Hero raises to $28, BTN goes all-in $5.40

Turn: ($71.40, 2 players)

River: ($71.40, 2 players)

Final Pot: $68.80
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $68.40 ( won +$32.40 )
BTN lost -$33.40

Haha. It's a little different when you are putting him all-in on a mini-raise.

lol wtf

Everything I thought I knew about poker is obsolete it seems

Well I got turned off from posting by the first 20 people saying fold but I thought you were all crazy.

Originally Posted by Fnord

I play so bad. Calling the turn fine or is it a shove/fold?

obviously calling the turn was optimal because you got the most money from him. shoving would have folded him for sure and you woulda lost out on that river bluff.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Well I got turned off from posting by the first 20 people saying fold but I thought you were all crazy.

Yeah WTF is going on here I'm never folding to this dumbass line on this board

Given the image I really want to raise the flop in the OP. I think he'll spazz a lot.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Given the image I really want to raise the flop in the OP.

A lot of these guys tip their hand strength on the turn. When he blocking bets two streets TPTK is usually the nuts.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Given the image I really want to raise the flop in the OP.

A lot of these guys tip their hand strength on the turn. When he blocking bets two streets TPTK is usually the nuts.

he tipped his handstrength big time when he cibbed the turn. Whats the point of extracting information from him by calling flop when you are just gonna ignore the information he gives you and stack off anyways?

Originally Posted by Renton

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Given the image I really want to raise the flop in the OP.

A lot of these guys tip their hand strength on the turn. When he blocking bets two streets TPTK is usually the nuts.

he tipped his handstrength big time when he cibbed the turn. Whats the point of extracting information from him by calling flop when you are just gonna ignore the information he gives you and stack off anyways?

his 1/4 pot bet on the turn is information :cool:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Well I got turned off from posting by the first 20 people saying fold but I thought you were all crazy.

Yeah WTF is going on here I'm never folding to this dumbass line on this board

Seems pretty optimistic to me to put an unknown on a complete air bluff just because of some dumbass line.

by the way i love how stacking off on this turn became easy and standard all of a sudden when the results emerged.

Originally Posted by Renton

by the way i love how stacking off on this turn became easy and standard all of a sudden when the results emerged.

I don't think it's an easy call-down.

Regardless of results I had two conflicting thoughts.

1. Sometimes people take dumb lines that dont make sense, but that doesnt mean they dont have it.

2. He's repping almost exactly 78 (and probably either hearts or clubs) which is incredibly tight range.


Other than the fact I fold pre I play the same but by no means am I happy about it.

I wish I'd gotten in on this thread pre-results. All I can say now is that when people do this to me I frequently find myself calling down also, and sometimes they show really weird garbage (like here) and sometimes they show the hand you least expect (like AA/KK). I do know that these types of min-raising, block-betting donks have no fucking idea what to do with their overcards when they miss, so it's probably not -EV to run them down pretty often when their lines are this weird and opaque.

However, I didn't think people did this at 1/2, and I also have inherent fear of the CiB thanks to this board. I don't know what to say about this I guess.

At least you got to showdown for cheap. Gotta love his atrocious river bet sizing. I've seen that exact kind of awful bluff a few times lately at 50 NL vs. someone who obviously has something and wants to call down, and it always makes me scratch my head.

Someone should tell the villain: Post Oak no worky after acting like you want to get it in on the turn.

Originally Posted by Silly String

Someone should tell the villain: Post Oak no worky after acting like you want to get it in on the turn.

Judging from what villain showed up with here, I don't think any part of that sentence would make sense to him. "Post Oak? Get it in? Turn? Alls I know is I hads the ace and the queen, I thot I was gonta WIN!"

Damn, I don't know what Post Oak means either

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Damn, I don't know what Post Oak means either

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_oak_bluff

Renton it has nothing to do with results, I never fold the toppest pair you should know that from playing with me

I folded an overpair to a turn raise last night. Really. I felt so dirty I had to take a shower....

For me there are 2 key aspects. The only mistake i feel u made was calling preflop. Not that A10 is a bad hand in that spot, just puts u in a vunerable position against a relative unknown.

The key for me was his turn bet. $10 into a $40 pot on a board such as that, which i counted around 46 million draws on (maybe a slight exaggeration) screams a view things, notably weak donk. Who wants to offer someone who called a flop bet odds of 5-1 with numerous straight and flush draws?

Raising was rite, only thing i wud have done is pushed on the turn, calling only gives u a very tricky river choice if a danger card comes or he fires big.

Originally Posted by Kagey

Looks like someone playing outside their bankroll with a monster (or what they think is a monster)

This is my impression and Id fold unless he turned his hand up...at which point it becomes a super standard call obv.