i dont know what you have against c/c c/c c/f. you have said that you don't like taking this line in the past also. when i check the flop as the preflop raiser and i had to guess the number of streets i called on average after doing so when being bet into on every street, it would be 0>>2>>>>>1>>3. Most players in msnl and even hsnl know how to barrel but arent very good at making thin bluffs in the big pots.