Quote Originally Posted by daven
Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
dont try and suckout for a stack when you are relying solely on a draw.
unless it's on the flop. I don't mind being stacked when i push oesd + flush on the flop. Fold equity plus outs = long-term profit.
besides, here, its not OE...its a gutshot. not that that matters much on the flop (i dont mind trying to get it in on the flop)...but we were being asked about the push, which was on the turn.

as for No Fold 'Em, Hold 'Em...if you play a nitty style, and psb TPTK for two streets and 1/2 pot it on river...or set hunt...or play 2 pr hard on the flop...or cbet the flop HU and only 2 barrel on scare cards...or only semi-bluff big draws on the flop...and NEVER bluff with the intention of pushing someone off a pot, you will win at a high clip.

start using "trickery," like here, and you will get caught most times. play w/in the math, and only push larger edges....down here.

oh, and believe ALMOST ALL river aggression.