Beating the game and Moving Up

I see a lot of posts and interviews by pros and other players saying that they are beating the cash game or limit that they are playing at. I have been a SNG grinder and have beating them for 20% ROI on Stars up to $22 limit, but I have been wanting to branch out into more NL cash. I have started playing NL25 2-3 tabling making about 6-10 an hour over 20000 some hands between full ring and 6-max.

I am curious as to everybodys thoughts on these to questions?

1. What bb/100 or avg. per hour would be considered beating a 6-max or full ring game?

2. If bankroll is not a factor, how long should you be beating game to move up (number of hands or months)?

I know many pro's suggest about 30 buyins for a level, but if that is the case I shoud be playing at least 2/4 NL.

I'm sure other might have similiar questions and any suggestions would be appreciated.

Originally Posted by Armlock

I know many pro's suggest about 30 buyins for a level, but if that is the case I shoud be playing at least 2/4 NL.

I think this suggestion is based on the assumption that you got to 2/4 and built your bankroll by grinding it out at $25NL and up. I don't think jumping into cash, even if you're rolled for it, at 400NL is a great idea.

But since you are rolled, I'd say you are probably ok with moving up levels faster than someone who didn't have a roll.

I only have about 20k hands at 200NL (which really isn't all that much) but its goin well, so I'm reaching a bit and playing 400NL (reaching = 1 table 400nl, and the rest still 200NL). There's no harm in reaching higher, and if you have trouble just dropping back down.

start at 50NL then, id advise you get adjusted to cash before up play any higher

If you can beat games at anything around or above 3-5 ptbb/100 there s no reason to not move up if you re rolled properly (30 buyins is good until nl400 and up - I'd like to have more starting at nl400)

Originally Posted by Genitruc

If you can beat games at anything around or above 3-5 ptbb/100 there s no reason to not move up if you re rolled properly (30 buyins is good until nl400 and up - I'd like to have more starting at nl400)

what's the general consensus for # of hands required?

i think bb/100 is dependant on too many factors. it's more important to be able to figure out if you are +ev in a game just by watching or playing in it, and if losing x buyins won't have much effect.

1. 3 bb/100 or more over 100k or more hands is a pretty standard winrate and should determine if ur +ev in a game

2. 30 bi is enough for up to nl 200, id have 50+ for 400nl-1knl