Big Overpair facing huge shove deep

I've been playing like a total nit (no PT but I'd guess I'm running around 16/13).

Villain has been on a mega-heater and hasn't lost a pot since he's gotten to the table. He seems like a pretty good tagg and hasn't been caught bluffing yet.

NL400 6-max

Hero has 850$ish

Villain has 780$ish

Hero is Btn, dealt

Villain (UTG) raises to 16$

2 folds

Hero raises to 58$

Villain calls

Flop (pot = 122$) :

Villain checks

Hero bets 105$

Villain raises to 722$ and is all in

Hero...

Call and expect TT+ and AKs/AQs

Raise to $90 pre-flop b/c stacks are so deep. As played puke and call. I think you'll see KK-TT here more than a set.

call sadly.

Boy this could be alot. It looks an awful lot like the big draw or AKs. Is he capable of repping a draw with a set here? I probably grit my teeth and call. Sometimes I am very surprised at what I see.

Originally Posted by zook

Raise to $90 pre-flop b/c stacks are so deep. As played puke and call. I think you'll see KK-TT here more than a set.

$90? that folds out so many hands that we want to call.

if he only does this with AA KK AKh and sets you should call, but since that range is super tight it makes it even easier

Originally Posted by JL

$90? that folds out so many hands that we want to call.

You have to tailor your pre-flop 3-bet sizing to stack sizes to deny implied odds. And play it the same with AKo, JJ+. $80 might be fine too, it depends on the opponent.

stack-a-donk

Originally Posted by zook

Originally Posted by JL

$90? that folds out so many hands that we want to call.

You have to tailor your pre-flop 3-bet sizing to stack sizes to deny implied odds. And play it the same with AKo, JJ+. $80 might be fine too, it depends on the opponent.

if u 3 bet with wider range they dont have implied odds anyway

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by zook

Originally Posted by JL

$90? that folds out so many hands that we want to call.

You have to tailor your pre-flop 3-bet sizing to stack sizes to deny implied odds. And play it the same with AKo, JJ+. $80 might be fine too, it depends on the opponent.

if u 3 bet with wider range they dont have implied odds anyway

I was just going to put this, the wider you three bet the less you have to reraise pre. Although Genitruc says hes been playing like a total nit, so this seems like legitimate advice.

I was sweating a friend of mine here and he was villain with 3s5s.

I suggested shoving as opposed to C/R since a heart will likely kill our action on the turn.

I was surprised when someone I respected said that shoving this deep was losing tons of value so I figured I'd post the hand.

Thx for the replies.

i would rather lead the flop if i were him

don't you lead way more than most ppl though?

Vs a nit I think it's too likely you get called down for pot control on this flop, allowing for scare cards to hit, whereas they'll always bet their overpair when checked to and have a tough time folding.

I used to always try to bet/3bet big draws and sets but I almost think it's gotten to be transparent.

Originally Posted by gabe

i would rather lead the flop if i were him

I'd do this if he wasnt a reg, cuz most regs don't balance there lead out enough.

Hijack!

Is the PF call with 53s +EV or -EV? Why? How much better is the PF call if we know he has Aces? How much worse is it if we use his standard threebetting range?

One time recently i was on the other end of this and was caught semi-bluffing, but the board was J97 with no flush draws and it was a 4-bet pot.

preflop call seems OK, getting ~18:1 in position vs. a nit.

this is the easiest call ever

easy call with AA

just for the sake of it :

what is BB threshold for folding AA on this board to a CR?

250BB? 400BB?

Obv there's no rule about this but I've been wondering about situations like this since reading about aba's kk into aa 300BB deep.

AA is not foldable here but KK would seem like a fairly standard crying fold for him this deep if you were both playing tight and respected each other--AA is way way stronger than KK/QQ facing a check-push in this situation. Because of this, I like a lead on the flop. If he raises, call and get it in on turn; if he calls, c/r turn.

Villain played this very badly if he had 35...

Originally Posted by Massimo

Villain played this very badly if he had 35...

How else do you play it besides making an essential shove on the flop?