Quote Originally Posted by Greedo017
i think that in your description you clearly defined the answer for us as fold and we can't tell you otherwise without ignoring your detailed instructions telling us to tell you to fold.
Well, for what it's worth, at the time I was pretty certain I was beat, using the simple logic that I was playing my hand face-up, and I still got pushed back at by a fairly passive villain. There was also the big concern of a deep stacked player that smooth called my large turn bet behind me. I can't really call and fold to a push, and regardless of whether I call or push, I'm basically getting nothing out of him if I'm ahead (this player is not a donkey by any stretch, and is done with the hand if he has an overpair) and my stack is going in against all better hands.

However, it's tough to put villain on a better hand because I think he usually raises a set on this flop, although bdawg may be right in that he could slowplay it as well, which would be pretty bad but certainly possible. There's also the possibility of the straight, and I think there's a good chance that this player would call with 45 on the flop, but I think it's unlikely he calls with it preflop. He probably insta-mucks it if it's unsuited and sometimes calls with it if suited. That's just a guess based on my assumptions of players like him.

I kind of agree with you that what I've said so far has 'convinced' people to fold here which was not my intent, I was just trying to set up the situation properly. I'll post results in a bit. I also have what I feel is kind of an interesting point about this hand (and so many others like it) that I think people will enjoy.