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A C/R flop push, thin AI flop call or fold, flopped nuts

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    Default A C/R flop push, thin AI flop call or fold, flopped nuts

    Do you like this C/R shove, or is this spew as usually only a set will call? I figure I have decent FE, and if I call I have a good set of outs.

    I'm 47% vs. KK, 52% vs. JJ, 26% vs. a set

    do you prefer a lead to a C/R? I felt it was 100% villain bet here. I wanted money in it, and I wanted to get all in on the flop.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed)

    UTG ($144)
    Hero ($217.10)
    Button ($211)
    SB ($366.20)
    BB ($232.15)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A.
    1 fold, Hero raises to $8, Button raises to $28, 2 folds, Hero calls $20.

    Flop: ($59) 5, 7, T (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $40, Hero raises to $189.1, Button folds.

    Final Pot: $139


    I might have let villain's decision remain unseen, but the same villain is in the next hand and I think he was steaming a bit after being c/r the previous hand. I feel like this was a really thin call, and I really made it because of the previous hand. What do you think? Anyone lay this down?


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed)

    BB ($141)
    Hero ($270.10)
    MP ($211.65)
    Button ($362.20)
    SB ($239.15)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
    Hero raises to $8, MP calls $8, 3 folds.

    Flop: ($19) 5, 6, T (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, MP raises to $40, Hero raises to $82, MP raises to $203.65, Hero calls $121.65.

    Turn: ($426.30) Q (2 players)

    River: ($426.30) 7 (2 players)

    Final Pot: $426.30



    different villain/table:

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    CO ($54.80)
    Button ($244.10)
    SB ($58)
    BB ($120)
    UTG ($209.40)
    Hero ($203)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with K, J.
    UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, 2 folds, UTG folds.

    Flop: ($21) Q, T, A (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

    Turn: ($41) T (2 players)
    Hero bets $22, Button calls $22.

    River: ($85) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $48, Button raises to $204.1, Hero calls $115 (All-In).

    Final Pot: $411

    Do you laydown here on the paired board, or is this always a call? I should have bet $16 on the flop and $35 on the turn I realize to protect vs. flush... but curious as to how everyone plays river.
  2. #2
    Hand 1: I like
    Hand 2: I don't get the mini-reraise on the flop. That hand looks ugly to me.
    Hand 3: I bet more on the flop like you said, bet the turn and probably check/call the river
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    I forgot to note why i did the miniraise, I felt he was 'playing back at me' and might not have a real hand, so I felt a minraise was just as good as a bigger raise risking less and that he would fold. Then he pushed, whoops. Do you call though hand 2?
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    In the last hand I'm folding the river to a typical TAgg.
  5. #5
    Hand 1: Standard flop play against basically all players.

    Hand 2: If you are planning on calling an all-in, I would have just put all my money in the middle once he raises.

    Hand 3: I would fold the river as played. Also, I would probably check-call the river or make a smaller bet. You're encouraging too much action for this hand on a board that is very scary from opponents perspective (unless he perceives you as a maniac, his calling range for this bet consists of no hands that you beat).
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by dsaxton
    Also, I would probably check-call the river or make a smaller bet. You're encouraging too much action for this hand on a board that is very scary from opponents perspective (unless he perceives you as a maniac, his calling range for this bet consists of no hands that you beat).
    1/2 pot on all 3 streets seems to be a reasonable value bet to me. A fair range of Ax hands might look him up.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by dsaxton
    Also, I would probably check-call the river or make a smaller bet. You're encouraging too much action for this hand on a board that is very scary from opponents perspective (unless he perceives you as a maniac, his calling range for this bet consists of no hands that you beat).
    1/2 pot on all 3 streets seems to be a reasonable value bet to me. A fair range of Ax hands might look him up.
    Assume you are villain. Your opponent raises preflop, and bets a flop of A, Q, T, you call, indicating that you probably have a reasonably strong hand yourself. He then bets again once the board pairs tens. Assuming he is not reckless, it seems likely you are facing a solid hand; at least a pair of aces, but most likely a pair and a straight draw or better, and you are also showing a fair amount of strength by calling him down. Then a four card straight appears on the board, and your opponent shows no concern and makes a confident bet. Would you call with less than a straight?
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    I can't figured out which full houses he might have. I would think that QT, AT & sets would probably raise the flop with all the draws out there and I can't see 88 calling down. It would be sick if he showed T8. I might call this river but I'd probably time out thinking about it.
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Pie
    I can't figured out which full houses he might have. I would think that QT, AT & sets would probably raise the flop with all the draws out there and I can't see 88 calling down. It would be sick if he showed T8. I might call this river but I'd probably time out thinking about it.
    I agree with this, I'm having a hard time seeing what boat villain could possibly have here, that wouldn't have raised the flop or re-raised PF. Hero's bet looks suuuper weak on the river, and I think this may induce bluff raises on the river. The only hand I can see here is 108s or something.. and maybe AT, QT.. though seems unlikely given flop action.
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