Quote Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
Hand 3: I think you either have to fold the turn or get more money in on the flop. If we give your overs half credit as outs (reasonable, I think), then you have 12 outs on the flop == 48%.
if we are giving our overs credit as outs then shouldnt we bluff the ace?
i dont think we can count them as outs and agree you have to fold the turn, but if you think your overs are good against this villain then raise turn