Quote Originally Posted by c-luvin
Quote Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
Hand 3: I think you either have to fold the turn or get more money in on the flop. If we give your overs half credit as outs (reasonable, I think), then you have 12 outs on the flop == 48%.
if we are giving our overs credit as outs then shouldnt we bluff the ace?
i dont think we can count them as outs and agree you have to fold the turn, but if you think your overs are good against this villain then raise turn
I'm not counting our overs as full outs. I'm saying that half the time when we hit them from the flop we improve to be ahead. This is true when he has Ax or a pocket pair. You're right that on the turn it's much less likely that our overs are good outs. We can probably only count them for a collective 1 out, making the turn call even more questionable...