Clueless

I hadn't been sitting long here, no idea how villain got his stack. His stats are 34/21/3 over 55 hands or so. Haven't reassy seen him do anything yet though. I haven't done anything out of the ordinary either. Advice on all streets please. UTG was 43/9/4 over 135.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($415.80)
CO ($522.23)
Hero ($304.95)
SB ($1316.37)
BB ($217.70)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BTN
UTG raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, SB calls $4, 1 fold

Flop: ($17, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $8, Hero calls $8, SB calls $8

Turn: ($41, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $20, Hero calls $20, SB raises to $60, UTG folds, Hero calls $40

River: ($181, 2 players)
SB bets $80, $80 to Hero ($231.95)?

I think you played it fine and have to fold the river despite pot odds. What do you beat that raises the turn that small? Looks to me like he wants a river raise.

God I'd want to shove so much

Originally Posted by Ash256

God I'd want to shove so much

I do too but we're not really repping much, I don't know what he's repping either though, maybe 98? He's probably looking to be raised, that turn bet wasn't meant to fold out much.

bump this one time

Best I can come up with is call the river because his line makes no sense? How often could he have a poorly played FH?

Maybe a weird 78 or 69

I don't see why more people don't like villain for a 9 here. He's loose enough I think 79s-J9s are all in his range as well as 89, A9. He could also play T9 retarded. I doubt he's retarded with that stack.
I think this is a clear fold. You missed your draws, no need to be a hero here. If you really don't believe the SB raise the turn all in, but God is that transparent. In the name of massive outs, I declare you LUCKBOX!!

QsJs?

god this just looks like the nuts on one level or another. either a boat played like a total pussy or a straight. well i dont think he played it well whatever he had because of how drawy the board is. he couldve flopped the str8 too.

so why isn't this a 9 or a boat?

Originally Posted by Massimo

so why isn't this a 9 or a boat?

the reason nothing he has with the exception of TT or 99 makes sense to me. if he has a 9 its a really risky c/r. and if he has a str8 that is also a super risky c/r since the board is paired. In fact, i am completely sold that this is a boat.

When you look at his raise size on the turn I think its the biggest factor in the hand. Looks like the raise size of a boat. I think range wise this could easily be some sort of 98/97 type hand, even though yes that's a thin range.

The guy isn't bluffing ever here, so definetely don't call, and definetely don't raise the river.

Originally Posted by will641

Originally Posted by Massimo

so why isn't this a 9 or a boat?

if he has a 9 its a really risky c/r.

That doesn't mean he won't do it.

I fold river as well...turn call is ok even if it does look like a boat by his raise size like ISF said, but we cant fold a str8 flush gutshot amirite

Dude I'd c/r a 9 here in his pos in a second.

yeah, seems like a clear fold. his line looks like a 9 or boat and i cant see him bluffing with the raising sizes.

i must be leaking money up higher because i am scratching my head why we dont raise the flop here to about $20. its likely the only spot we are ahead. and, wont it throw villain when we hit our gutter? i have UTG for missed overs and cbetting.

i just dont see this as a hand worth going too far with, and i want to know early in these spots if i can take a pot.

Originally Posted by Chopper

i must be leaking money up higher because i am scratching my head why we dont raise the flop here to about $20. its likely the only spot we are ahead.

HU i would agree with you. not in a 3 way pot.

Originally Posted by Chopper

i have UTG for missed overs and cbetting.

He cant have AA/KK/QQ/JJ?

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Originally Posted by Chopper

i have UTG for missed overs and cbetting.

He cant have AA/KK/QQ/JJ?

like i said, i'm not good in this spot, at this level, obv. of course he can have overpairs, too. but, wouldnt he bet a little stronger on flop? is this his standard flop bet? its not even 1/2 the pot. besides, a flop raise will get some action out of those overpairs thinking you are raising a draw or bumping him off a cbet. overpairs will think, "Yatzee, bitch, you think i'm cbetting...here eat this!" i dont think they can help themselves but to turn their cards super face up if you raise the flop.

seems if he HAS something here, he bets closer to $15. this is a drawy board and you called in position. if you call light, this hand smacked your range a lot harder than anyone but the biggest dumbasses playing UTG...which he may be based on stats. but, he should still run a bit tighter when raising UTG.

just a gut thing, but like i said, this isnt my level or best spot. just a question.

am i the only one who dont like the pre flop call? there is a utg raise and folded to me on the button with 10 7 suited, im folding, even though we are 5 handed and the 150bb deep.

factoring in the op has not been at the table very long, this is a fold all day, until ive got some kinda read to go on

as played, the sb turn raise of 60 - you are clearly a dry piece of burnt toast, no butter, no marmalade, to a boat or a nine imo

(ps im not that nitty either 20/15)

allright cool I guess I'm being results orientated and overthinking. Got shown 85 of spades and wondered if I should have figured that out somewhere.

folding preflop seems good

It could be any number of hands that don't beat a K high straight (but beat your hand), and he's afraid you have Q-J.

You are beat almost always and he's rarely folding, so you should.

A preflop fold looks like the way to go.