Quote Originally Posted by zook
I just meant looking at the whole range together is the proper way to compute your equity.

One problem with this discussion is that you're usually getting better than 2:1 pot odds. If you're playing 100NL and raise to $4 in the CO, villain re-raises to $12 on the button, you 4-bet to $36 and villain shoves, you're getting 2.13:1 with 100bb stacks. If you raise to $4, villain re-raises pot to $13.50, you 4-bet pot to $42 and villain shoves, you're getting 2.45:1. Obviously any limps or calls from other players give you even better odds.

With 2.45:1 odds (pot-sized raises) you should always call the 5-bet shove. You're right that getting 2.13:1 odds ATs should be a fold to JJ+/AK/AQs+, but it's close. If there's additional dead money in the pot from limpers/callers or villain is willing to widen his range here (maybe b/c he knows you're capable of folding) then it becomes a call.

And from an earlier post of yours:

Quote Originally Posted by pokerroomace
obviously hands like 76s, but hands like ATs you can also fold easily right?
Actually 76s does slightly better vs. JJ+/AK/AQs+ than ATs does.
lol. really? that's amazing
so you're saying you should call with 76s if you're getting 2.4 to 1 on a shove?
what if you're getting 2 to 1? should you call then? what points should you call at for ATs and 76s?