a common spot that I have trouble with

Villain is unknown bought in in full and just sat down at the table this orbit. Is this standard, do I stack off here?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($90.40)
MP ($17.25)
CO ($54.80)
Button ($17.05)
SB ($52.05)
BB ($67.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises to $2, MP calls $2, CO raises to $6.5, 3 folds, Hero calls $4.50, MP folds.

Flop: ($15.75) 8, 4, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $13, CO raises to $26

Hero...

PS I apologize if this is standard

I think I fold here. I think preflop his range is mainly TT+, AQ+ and only TT+ would raise your flop bet here.

why r we leading?

oh an why so much?

If you're going to call the 3 bet then why not check raise? Is leading out better?

Check/call against and unknown is way much better imo.

Originally Posted by bigred

If you're going to call the 3 bet then why not check raise? Is leading out better?

Should we c/c or c/r? Do worse hands call our c/r?

yeah dont lead

I hate these spots.

c/f flop

and

c/c, c/c like some fucking station

both seem equally offensive.

Originally Posted by kmind

Originally Posted by bigred

If you're going to call the 3 bet then why not check raise? Is leading out better?

Should we c/c or c/r? Do worse hands call our c/r?

the only worse hands that are calling our c/r are AdKd and AdQd. I like a c/c here. As played a $10 or $11 bet gets you the same info.

Usually against a new player in this sort of spot I'd be betting $9-12 on the flop, then calling the reraise. I am always a bit leery pre-flop against unknowns, so I'd call the re-raise pre. Definitely leading this flop, it has come just about as good as could be hoped for. While this is the type of flop I like to see when holding a strong pocket pair, I would put pocket eights in opponents range. Given that we assign a standard range to the opponent (88+, A10+, various suited connectors), I don't know what this level is like in the online world, but in the games I play this has about a 40% chance of being two overcards that missed. I check/call any broadways for anything less than 1/2 pot, probably check raise any non diamond/broadway cards. River is still open, and very read dependent.

Edit: I like to lead this flop for info, also because I feel that I'm ahead here enough that a bet is profitable.

Have a plan

Don't lead out if you don't know what to do.

at 200NL and up this is a standard c/r for me, given that this is 50NL and i don't know what the usual standards are for reraising, squeezing, aggression etc. i just don't know what to tell you.

against standard TAG at 50NL I believe this means trouble. No way he's laying it down anymore with half his stack in there and he's trying to get you to call with a min raise. I doubt he has a set here, but something like QQ+/AK is very likely. AK usually shoves here though

Originally Posted by Massimo

at 200NL and up this is a standard c/r for me, given that this is 50NL and i don't know what the usual standards are for reraising, squeezing, aggression etc. i just don't know what to tell you.

Why are you c/r'ing here? Against a solid 3-betting range against our UTG raising range he's drawing to 6 outs most of the time, if he doesn't already have us beat. He's probably not folding QQ+, and c/ring just lets him stop spewing his over cards to us? I realize there's a flush out, but that makes up a pretty small part of his range I'd imagine and we're only a coin flip against that range.

I think I like a turn c/r more than a flop c/r if we're willing to get it all-in either way.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Why are you c/r'ing here? Against a solid 3-betting range against our UTG raising range he's drawing to 6 outs most of the time

Against a solid threebet range i'd stack off here everytime, against a super nit range of like QQ+, AK we probably should just c/c flop and c/f turn. But since he's unknown i feel kinda weird folding here and i probably go for the c/r as well. As played i fold though.

also it has to do with my image

At smaller stakes I c/c flop and c/f turn until I know opponent can be 3betting a wider range than JJ+AK.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

At smaller stakes I c/c flop and c/f turn until I know opponent can be 3betting a wider range than JJ+AK.

I think this is the best line. I don't like a c/r against unknowns at this limit because I would say that 80% of people's 3 betting range at these stakes is JJ+AK. Against certain opponents at these stakes I do think a c/r is good though.

oop I will probably either check raise all in or just check fold depending on reads.
As played I probably shove though,
He 3bet after a raise & caller - slightly more likely to be squeezey
A min raise gives great drawing odds to a flush & is not a standard line for someone who 3bet AA/KK to the to the right amount pre-flop.
Its still very close though.

- I dont like check call so much oop in a 3bet pot as you're going to to check to him on two more streets and it seems it will be to easy to move you off what could be the best hand. (Most people wont slowplay a set, AA/KK in a 3bet pot on drawy board so by the time you get to river your hand will be face up.)

if the standard TAGG is going to c/c flop and c/f turn here against our 3betting range should we start checking the turn more with AA/KK and shoving it with AK?

having a big overpair in a reraised pot thats not AA or KK is one of the toughest spots in the game

Originally Posted by gabe

having a big overpair in a reraised pot thats not AA or KK is one of the toughest spots in the game

Any general guidelines you can give? Probably too situational dependent.

all depends on opponent

in general felting QQ against all but the biggest nits cant be too bad, however people probably overplay TT/JJ

to get people to do this v you just play AK like AA every now and then and they'll give you action