Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
The reason why a lot of these situations are hard to assess is that they SHOULD depend on gameflow a lot.

If I'm ramming on someone from the button to their CO opens over and over again... repeatedly and then they 4-bet me and I have 55. There could definitely be times where I shove over with pocket 5's here or something. Because his range can be tons of 4-bet bluffs and also most likely hands like AK/AQ as well.

With regards to 3-betting hands like 99-JJ and stuff. I usually try to avoid making plays where if villain comes back over the top I'm actually confused and don't know what to do. If I am 3-betting 99-JJ against any villain its because I either know that if he 4-bets me I'm folding.. or I know that if he 4-bets me I'm jamming. I don't wanna make a play that puts me into a spot where I don't know what to do.

Whatever you do, you need a plan!
In the situations described, I am 3-bet/folding always.
It's not that I'm not sure what to do to a 4-bet or shove. It's that I am not sure if my 3-bet with these particular hands is the most +EV move.

Gameflow to me is just tightening or widening a players range in a certain spot. I if I am jamming on someone, I understand I'll have to open up my calling range, and 55 is a possible hand for it. But that's really not the situations I am referring to though.

Let's say a 30/17 25NL player, with a 4-bet or shoving range of QQ+, and a 3-bet calling range of either one of the two above described + the described fit or fold strategy on the flop, opens...
- Should I be 3-betting 99-JJ?
- If so, why is it better than calling?
- Why is JJ better than 22?
- Why is JJ better than 97s?