Quote Originally Posted by minSim
Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
its not so much that you wanna felt because the board is wet but because you beat a ton of overpairs (not to mention other shit) that raise or felt
If the board is something like Td5h9h we're more inclined to call flop and only get it on a safe turn?
What's the plan on a Jd or 2h? call a bet, or check behind when checked to?
i dont dislike just getting it in. if our opponents range consists of stuff like oesds and fds (QJ or Axs here) then we're almost never wrong to felt, and i see little value to calling and getting it in later. in some other games that play more complicated turns it may be better, but thats over my and most our opponents heads. i also really dont like the idea of 'getting it in on a safe turn' when we could be most correct getting it in right now. when thats the case i almost never do the 'safe turn' idea. one time i had a hand kinda like this (it was weaker actually, but villain was poorer) where once the flop hit i decided i was getting it in no matter what and even though the board was drawy i figured id get better value by 'slowplaying' to the turn, well the flush hit, he shoved, i snapped without a flush card and was right. had i thought 'get it in safe' i woulda been wrong. not to say that logic is faulty; its definitely good, but not here imo

i tend to value bet extreeeeemely light in nlhe. so i probably barrel both J and 2h. i may even look for three streets of value too. this is very good if we're not getting slowplayed. if we are getting slowplayed because we're so aggro or something then its bad. even then, i may value the turn again with plans of checking river so as to set a price to my showdown. this can create a more aggro and balanced image while keeping from paying too much for showdown as well as keeping us on the offensive so we can bluff profitable rivers (like four flush) without looking too suspicious, and we dont fold to the same river bluffs (like the four flush comes and we had checked turn then villain donks into us on river we gotta raise to get him off what may be his bluff when KK no flush may still be the best hand but still no way to call)