crying call with nut str8 on an interesting river.

villain is a loose passive fish



PokerStars Game #7175692551: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/11/25 - 21:23:27 (ET)
Table 'Hektor IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Renton555 ($101.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Dr.ArmeniA ($132.15 in chips)
Seat 3: onlyfools ($110.35 in chips)
Seat 4: DavidM36 ($88.80 in chips)
Seat 5: AARichardJ ($102.80 in chips)
Seat 6: SvZff ($101.50 in chips)
SvZff: posts small blind $0.50
Renton555: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Jd Qc]

Dr.ArmeniA: calls $1
onlyfools: folds
DavidM36: folds
AARichardJ: folds
SvZff: calls $0.50
Renton555: checks

*** FLOP *** [9h 2d Th]

SvZff: checks
Renton555: bets $2
Dr.ArmeniA: calls $2
SvZff: folds

*** TURN *** [9h 2d Th] [8h]

Renton555: bets $5
Dr.ArmeniA: calls $5

*** RIVER *** [9h 2d Th 8h] [7c]

Renton555: bets $12
Dr.ArmeniA: raises $28 to $40
Renton555: calls $28

Why is this such a crying call?
Aren't fish doing this with a jack high straight a lot of the time?

This seems pretty standard to me

If villain is at all fishy I call this pretty easily as a fish will be rasing a bare jack quite a bit here. I'm even inclined to say that pushing here is +ev vs fish but I tend to be reckless...

edit : JL beat me to it lol

if this is a crying call maybe you've been just running bad for way too long since, as you know, fish won't be thinking "hmmm. only better hands call my raise".

they think ZOMG STRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIGHT!!!! WOOT WOOT BIATCH"

This looks like a fish playing a flush. I fold without a better read.

This looks like a flush, but there is so much other stuff out there that I pay this off like a slot machine.

the fact that JT plays this identically forced me to call, i thought

yup

ppl saying "this is how a fish plays a flush" are 100% right

problem with this board is there are 2 pair hands and str8 hands that fish will play the exact same way

pay off then RE-LOAD

btw don't mean to hijack but I'm wondering who thinks pushing his raise would be +ev. If he's bad like you say he is then I'm not sure that it isn't a significantly profitable play.

am I the only one that hates putting half a stack in with a straight into what looks like an obvious flush in what started out as a 3 way limped pot?

Originally Posted by Lukie

am I the only one that hates putting half a stack in with a straight into what looks like an obvious flush in what started out as a 3 way limped pot?

i subscribe to the the rule of "bet until the fish raises" that i made up.

I felt like the turn and river were clear value bets in this hand, and that river raise was a pretty clear call.

also don't discount the possibility of a fish's UTG limp being a pocket pair - set. I've seen shit like this so often it makes my head spin :

***** Hand History for Game 5457211635 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 24, 05:33:30 ET 2006
Table Table 126689 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: V3N1V1D1V1C1 ( $208.90 )
Seat 2: CHIEF_CMP ( $324.21 )
Seat 5: P11URF ( $241.11 )
Seat 6: HERO ( $283.05 )
Seat 3: Amor_Fati76 ( $152.50 )
Seat 4: VW_TDI ( $151.60 )
V3N1V1D1V1C1 posts small blind [$1].
CHIEF_CMP posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qc 3c ]
Amor_Fati76 raises [$8]
VW_TDI calls [$8]
P11URF calls [$8]
HERO calls [$8]
V3N1V1D1V1C1 folds.
CHIEF_CMP folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 6s, 9s ]
pot : 35$

Amor_Fati76 bets [$10]
VW_TDI folds.
P11URF calls [$10]
HERO calls [$10]

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
pot : 65$

Amor_Fati76 checks.
P11URF checks.
HERO bets [$38]
Amor_Fati76 calls [$38]
P11URF calls [$38]

** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
pot : 179$

Amor_Fati76 checks.
P11URF bets [$54.32]
HERO calls [$54.32]
Amor_Fati76 folds.

P11URF shows [ 8h, 8s ]a full house, Eights full of Nines.
HERO doesn't show [ Qc, 3c ]a flush, Queen high.
P11URF wins $284.64 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of Nines.

yea gotta call