dealing with donk bets

hey all, couple of hands here and how to handle these donk bets.

In the first hand, opp is 51/9/4.4, short stacked.
Do you like a call on the flop and a fold to a 4flush turn PUSH from him, and call any other card? Do you automatically shove here with TPTK? How does it change the line as it's a 3way pot - will my hand be ahead against his range often enough here to shove?

In the 2nd hand, it's HU, and I think my hand plays well enough against a range he can donk bet here, but again, what's your best line against a shorty here on this type of flop, just call the flop and get it in on a blank turn? Opp here is 26/8/3.6

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG MALIK274 ($177.05)
UTG+1 ChrisNL1 ($197.00)
CO babao.yes. ($664.25)
BTN Hero ($197.00)
SB rughetta ($81.85)
BB LetsFlip ($224.20)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, rughetta calls $5, LetsFlip calls $4

Flop: ($18, 3 players)
rughetta bets $18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $76

Final Pot: $112



$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($207.70)
CO Swainy2k ($138.20)
BTN Pokerlusky ($429.00)
SB Wedgyjackson ($61.45)
BB rifmeister ($212.50)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, Wedgyjackson calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16, 2 players)
Wedgyjackson bets $16

Final Pot: $32

hand one is standard, played perfect.

hand two i think you gotta shove this. i dont think he's potting this flop with a ten, his best line there would def be to crai, therefore i think his range is heavily weighed to draws... so shove.

Originally Posted by Schiplt

hand one is standard, played perfect.

hand two i think you gotta shove this. i dont think he's potting this flop with a ten, his best line there would def be to crai, therefore i think his range is heavily weighed to draws... so shove.

hand 1 i agree is right as played. hand 2, idk. i mean, short stack donks arent plannning out their lines usually and this is "zomg TP" as much as its a draw imo.

timing tells ftw

Hand 1 I agree as well that you played it fine.

Hand 2, you have to ask yourself if this guy always bets out on top pair no matter who raises. I think it's best to fold until you get a better idea on how this person plays. You can smooth call him and see what happens on the turn, but I believe the fold is a better option.

i don't know much about timing tells in online poker, could someone generalize?

quick bets = ?
quick calls = ?
long pause then bet = ?
long pause then reraise = ?