Do I need to have any 3betting range here?

Villain is TAG, you decide the rest.

$2.5/$5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($500.00)
BTN ($544.50)
SB ($947.44)
BB ($907.50)

Pre-flop: ($7.50, 4 players) Hero is CO with:
Hero raises to $17.50, BTN calls $17.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($42.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $33, BTN raises to $80, $47 to Hero ($449.5)?

edit: Yeti theorm applies here.

Against players who are less than amazing you can 3-bet bruff here though.

Should I value 3bet the amazing ones? How weak?

youve got to rebluff sometimes for sure --if you are suggesting that either you would only bluff by floating out of position or never bluff in this spot, i think thats pretty poor. As far as for value I think 66/33 are good candidates.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Should I value 3bet the amazing ones? How weak?

I'm told the top tier of players are capable of shoving on a bluff here.

Been doing a lot of reading on flop textures lately. Lots of ideas and really haven't settled on what I like. That said, against my opponents, I'm 3-bet bruffing TAggs here some % of the time.

As button TAG I'd be calling planning to bluff boards like this against other tags.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Zeebo theorm applies here.

I thought that was "villain can't fold a full house"

That's his other one.

The one I was thinking of is that bet/3-bet from an aggressive player on a way ahead/behind flop is rarely a very strong hand.

fnord u are thinking of yeti

Originally Posted by Renton

fnord u are thinking of yeti

opps.

Ok so If I get reraised by a guy I think is aggro but still bad enough to bluff here then I should be rebluffing with some frequency.

How small can I make my reraise bluff before it gets too small?

I still think I can 3bet/call a Jack against a lot of over aggro thinking players.

I think a little more than doubling his bet is good. I'd make it ~170ish.