Do these bluffs suck azzz?

HAND 1) BB is most likely a fish, he hasn't been sitting long so I don't know for sure. I'm basically just pushing on percieved weakness in this one, in my experience fish don't like to put whole stacks on the line with naked flush draws even though he is getting better odds then I'd like on his call.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($513.15)
UTG ($186)
Hero ($687)
Button ($1110.55)
SB ($752)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6, 6. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $75, BB calls $72, Hero calls $54.

Flop: ($234) 8, 2, J (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $150, SB folds, BB calls $150.

Turn: ($534) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero pushes ($285 to call) , BB...


HAND 2) In this one I put him on a JJ/TT type of hand and I want him to fold it.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($843.06)
UTG ($642)
Hero ($591)
CO ($257.75)
Button ($637.10)
SB ($516.18)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises to $21, Hero raises to $72, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $69, BB calls $66, UTG folds.

Flop: ($237) Q, Q, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($237) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $120, SB folds, BB calls $120.

River: ($477) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero pushes ($400 to call) , BB...

1. I think a fish is going to have a lot of trouble folding AdAx/KdKx/QdQx here so I don't like it.

2. I bet the flop, but I like the river push as played. I can't imagine a hand BB would look you up with here, except a badly slowplayed trips/fh.

im not sure how much i like sticking my stack in on bluffs in 3bet pots. The whole reason you play 3bet pots with bad players is because of how light they call you down.

Hand #1: Fishies love their flushies. I gave up trying this. But I assume the 400NL fish is different than the 100NL fish.

Hand #2: This is good if you know he's not a complete call station fool. I still come across too many guys that convince themselves not to fold JJ+ though.

i dont like the first one because you cant size the bets in a way that doesnt give them good odds. i like checking the flop and then trying to take away on the turn if they check again.

Hand 1: This looks like an AK Ad or Kd. Since you are beating that and most things besides a set and that are folding i like it. For some reason i think this guy bets something like AJ or KJ here when the original three-bettor checks.

Hand 2: This looks so bluff that he'll probably call you down. A fish might have a Q here possibly also.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

But I assume the 400NL fish is different than the 100NL fish.

I don't know about that...definitely not on Ongame; the fish are worse at 400NL.
That being said, this is $600NL.

Originally Posted by zook

1. I think a fish is going to have a lot of trouble folding AdAx/KdKx/QdQx here so I don't like it.

I agree.

Hand 1: we can only have a set or a bluff. And opp is clearly a fish from his line so i dont think he's making any tight folds.
(BTW zook folding AdA, or KdK would be stupid I think)

Hand 2: agree with massimo