enough folding to squeezes! how to play poker?

BB is a good tag who squeezes frequently, especially against me in a spot like this.

my plan was to get all in with top pair, or like a TJx board....maybe even J9x. i'm thinking he can have stuff like K4s but don't really have any other reads. thoughts?


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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2./$4.
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $485.40
Hero: $497.50
CO: $476.40
Button: $602.40
SB: $816.30
BB: $1268

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K Q
UTG folds, Hero raises to $20, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB raises to $88, Hero calls...

btw co posted a $6 blind, that's why my pfr (mashnig the bet pot button) was $20.
button is real bad, like 70/30, not sure if BB knew that though.

mostly i'm wondering if this is a bad idea since all i know is that he squeezes a lot.

i just remembered a good post sauce made a little while ago, here it is:

Originally Posted by sauce123

this is complicated as 3betting light is definitely a strong/profitable play when used correctly. the best way to combat this is accurately assesing their 3betting range pf by keeping track of what their showing down. for example: if i open to 30 utg with 33 and a 19/17 3bets me to 90 from the BB i have an easy call. this is because his hand range is polarized towards big pairs and to a lesser extent AK and im getting over 8 to 1 stack odds.

if i open to 30 on the button with 33 and a 22/18 3bets me to 100 from the BB i have an easy fold because his range looks like Axs, any pair, AJ+, KQ, and occasionally scs and air. i cant be floating flops with my 33 because he will double barrel/value bet me thin into an unprofitable pf call.

if i open to 30 in the CO and a 22/18 3bets me to 100 from the BB and I have KQs, AQs, 88+, 54s-QJs, I need to mix calling/folding/very occasional 4bet bluffing into my range so that his bet doesnt show positive expectation, but I need to determine when and if and with what I call based on metagame factors and which hands he habitually 3bets (some favor big cards, some favor scs, some favor pairs) and also to play on his postflop tendencies- for instance if I call a 3bet with KQ and the flop comes Qd 9d 7c and he continuation bets, is he calling my shove with A9, 98, T9, TT, JJ, QJ, and strong draws, or only with AQ+?? if the first was true, I should be calling his light 3bets with big cards, and if the second is true I should be calling them more often with suited connectors and mid pairs.

this is a complicated topic ill post some more on it l

but how do you figure out his post flop tendencies and 3bet range before just jumping in like this? poker tracker?
i need to get better in these spots...i fold to much, and the other times i just 4bet.

Originally Posted by benny999

mostly i'm wondering if this is a bad idea since all i know is that he squeezes a lot.

i just remembered a good post sauce made a little while ago, here it is:

Originally Posted by sauce123

this is complicated as 3betting light is definitely a strong/profitable play when used correctly. the best way to combat this is accurately assesing their 3betting range pf by keeping track of what their showing down. for example: if i open to 30 utg with 33 and a 19/17 3bets me to 90 from the BB i have an easy call. this is because his hand range is polarized towards big pairs and to a lesser extent AK and im getting over 8 to 1 stack odds.

if i open to 30 on the button with 33 and a 22/18 3bets me to 100 from the BB i have an easy fold because his range looks like Axs, any pair, AJ+, KQ, and occasionally scs and air. i cant be floating flops with my 33 because he will double barrel/value bet me thin into an unprofitable pf call.

if i open to 30 in the CO and a 22/18 3bets me to 100 from the BB and I have KQs, AQs, 88+, 54s-QJs, I need to mix calling/folding/very occasional 4bet bluffing into my range so that his bet doesnt show positive expectation, but I need to determine when and if and with what I call based on metagame factors and which hands he habitually 3bets (some favor big cards, some favor scs, some favor pairs) and also to play on his postflop tendencies- for instance if I call a 3bet with KQ and the flop comes Qd 9d 7c and he continuation bets, is he calling my shove with A9, 98, T9, TT, JJ, QJ, and strong draws, or only with AQ+?? if the first was true, I should be calling his light 3bets with big cards, and if the second is true I should be calling them more often with suited connectors and mid pairs.

this is a complicated topic ill post some more on it l

but how do you figure out his post flop tendencies and 3bet range before just jumping in like this? poker tracker?
i need to get better in these spots...i fold to much, and the other times i just 4bet.

I think he was figuring out the 3-bettor's range by HERO's position, and not necessarily anything the villain was doing. If he was being 3-bet after his utg range, he was putting villain on a tighter range, than if he raised initially from BTN and got 3-bet. CO, then, is somewhere in between.

no he means by watching the players. If hes not 3 betting light then you wont get much to see but you also shouldnt be playing back at him without very strong hands.

If he is 3 betting light then hopefully he shows some hands down and you can see what they are.

The problem with playing against ppl who 3-bet light and bet the flop a whole lot is that it ups your variance soo much. Usually they're not used to ppl playing back at them without the goods.

So I think a good strategy is to either start reshoving preflop ("You like variance? LOL") - there s a good post about a good range to do this with in CTS's blog that Renton quoted once.

Also I like flat-calling with either PP's or big cards (like KQish but it's better to do it with Ax) and shoving overtop of every flop bet the villain makes regardless of the flop.

Doing this everytime would obv be exploitable (assuming villain will adjust accordingly) but if you're playing with a tough reg a lot then it's a great thing to get things a few levels deep and keep them on their heels.

In the OP hand I like your flat call (since you'll see a flop with a good hand vs a fish) and I like your plan for the flop.

yea basically in a vacuum i think calling someone who we perceive to be 3betting light probably isnt profitable if they cbet/ double barrel at even a semi close to good frequency.

so wait a little while, u only lose 3-4 bets each time and capitalize on ur good hands until we get a better idea of their range.

Originally Posted by sauce123

so wait a little while, u only lose 3-4 bets each time and capitalize on ur good hands until we get a better idea of their range.

I think this is good advice... but I never seem to get in sessions that long. Also, at lower limits there are more non-regulars.

Originally Posted by zenbitz

Originally Posted by sauce123

so wait a little while, u only lose 3-4 bets each time and capitalize on ur good hands until we get a better idea of their range.

I think this is good advice... but I never seem to get in sessions that long. Also, at lower limits there are more non-regulars.

so just read their e-souls obviously....

at lower limits less players 3bet light anyway.

if someone 3bets you and you don't have a strong hand it's probably better to fold. just capatilize when you get dealt a premium hand.
if you are getting 3bet too much then either start 4bet bluffing or raise less often.

if you're oop and have a bad hand then don't even think about playing.
in the hand you posted i definitely fold. KQ is very mediocre, especially in this spot.
you don't have anywhere near to the odds against his hand. you'd be putting in 1/6 of your stack pf with KQ. you need to fold.

3betting is strong. it's hard to defend against. just make sure you are 3betting others too, so you cant take advantage of this power too.

keep on folding to squeezes until you have reads.

also, you might think that they're bluffing you every hand - but the 1 hand you'll go allin they'll have AA and your TT will be dead.

getting more reads, then occasionally calling and making a move post flop mixed with some 4betting sounds like a good plan.

i know i'm not just thinking they're bluffing though, from actually seeing show downs, and how often some ppl do it.

anyway i really need to pay more attention and get a better idea of their ranges and tendencies.