Quote Originally Posted by gabe
actually, you do need advice if you think thats the best way to play it. calling is far better, ill let others elaborate.
Hmmm, I want you to elaborate. Both plays clearly seem +EV to me and both have merits. If I felt that UTG's near pot bet into a 3 way pot was always a huge hand, I'd agree that c/c'ing would be the better option. However, I think we have a huge amount of fold equity, especially given that hero has a solid image. Also, our draw is pretty obvious to all but the worst of hand-readers, and it will be near impossible to get paid off if the 9 hits, unless somebody else is unfortunate enough to have 8x. The A is also obvious, but at least we have the hope of winning a nice pot against something like AT.

Thus, I actually think the big c/r is the better play in this particular hand, despite the overused cliché that you should raise your non-nut draws and call with your nut ones (reasoning being that it sucks getting blown off a nut draw, whereas it doesn't matter much if it's not) that often doesn't apply to the situation.

I will be awaiting your explanation. It is entirely possible that my thinking is severely faulty (but I doubt it).

edit: I didn't even mention metagame reasons in my post. Let's just say that you become very easy to play against if you need to have a huge made hand to make this play. Those that can effectively balance their big made hand lines (read: set, usually) with big (or not so big) draws are SO MUCH harder to play against then those that nuke their sets and call with their draws and then try to bomb it when their 8-card straight draw or their 9 card flush draw hits. Hitting your gutshot (while missing your flush) is always nice, though.