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  1. #1

    Default EZ Call?

    $1/2 NL 6 max. Villain seem solid 25/20/3 but no real reads.
    (110 bb eff stacks)



    I raised 3bb UTG+1 , Villain calls in BB


    Flop - Villain leads 2/3 pot, I call


    Turn - Villain leads 2/3 pot I call




    River - Villain checks, I VB 1/2 pot (55 into 100) and Villain Jams 160

    Hero 105 to call?
    Last edited by Pioneer; 08-06-2010 at 11:41 PM.
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    I think w/o reads (and in best case) you are splitting
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    Looks more like a fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Diamond View Post
    I think w/o reads (and in best case) you are splitting
    So you are saying prob more like fold as well without reads?

    Thanks for HH guidelines, will use in future.
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    If you have no reads, that he can play missed flush like this or w/e - I would just believe him QJ, 88, 33 or T9

    - definitely not fine to fold it, but I think we aren't good here




    - it would be better if you repair this hand, to get answers from good players (not from fishes like me)
    - anyway pocketfours says that this is probably fold and he is really good, so I would believe him
    Last edited by Mr. Diamond; 08-08-2010 at 02:04 AM.
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    this is actually sort of a bad river to value bet unless you are intending to call a jam i think..

    but that doesn't mean calling the jam now is correct, but you are at the top of your range. the Q is actually kind of a bad card for you despite the fact it improves your absolute hand strength.

    edit: he's not necessarily exploited the fact we're folding like 100% here. without a read he shouldn't expect any small stakes player to fold 2 pair.
    Last edited by Micro2Macro; 08-07-2010 at 04:51 PM.
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    M2M we could have QQ/T9 and the occasional slowplay. Against a good reg that you play regularly calling a shove with a small frequency is probably best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours View Post
    M2M we could have QQ/T9 and the occasional slowplay. Against a good reg that you play regularly calling a shove with a small frequency is probably best.
    ahh yeah this is true
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    I'm in the fold camp mainly because i so rarely see any kind of creative river bluffs at this level.
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    I don't like river sizing at all. Villain's hand is very polarized. A half pot bet doesn't serve us much good here unless we're TRYING to induce a jam. Might as well just bet 75+ here.

    He's probably just c/f usually, and sometimes will hero call us or call with AJ/KJ stuff for any size bet, given diamonds bricked.
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    As played I don't mind 1/4-1/3 pot / fold otr just because nobody is ever bluff raising there with nearly a big enough frequency to make that bad. and he does have a bunch of JT, 99 TT and you can make him hate life at least. We have lots of nuts in our range as well. Even if he's super good I think it's a bad spot for him to c/r bluff JT or whatever.
    Last edited by oskar; 08-13-2010 at 07:59 AM.
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    fold, its way too deep for him to be bluffing here
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