a few 3/6 hands

Alright. A couple of hands that are bothering me. Here's the first one:

Tight table, I've got AKo in the BB. UTG and UTG +1 limp, both are pretty tight and passive preflop but can definitly open up a can of something wicked. Late mp raises to 20. Folds to me and I raise to 100 (Hows it look? I raised becuase I couldn't put him on AA or KK becuase it's the normal raise with two limpers infront. Worries about QQ/JJ and trying to outflop but AQ, KQ and AK real possibilities.)

UTG folds. UTG+1 goes into the time tank and eventually pushes with 550. Lmp thinks for a while and junks it. I say "Let's gamb0l" and call.

Second hand. LP with 99 and raise it up to 25. Button, a loose maniac with about 400 calls. Blinds fold. Flop is 872 2 clubs. I think and check (???). Maniac bets 30, I raise to 90, maniac goes AI. I fold...

A few hands before, I made a major misstep and overplayed a draw against him. I had checkraised and back then, he only had about a 220 stack and I had to put the rest in to follow through.

-'rilla

Hand #1 looks like the classic limp/re-raise the AA/KK from UTG. I would call AI with AA-JJ only. I hate getting all the money in with AK pre-flop in the ring. However, I've been known to gambool from time to time just to keep it interesting.

Overall, I don't think the call there is unreasonable because he may think you are stealing and make that play with something like JJ through 99. I think you got played by the limp/reraise trick because he reraised AI with late MP showing strength and yet to act behind him.

Hand #2 I call. You just said you got caught overplaying a few hands before. In his head he's thinking you are overplaying the flush draw or bluffing your ass off, in which case he can make that play with something like A8 or A2. He's got overs or some small piece of that flop. If he had a set its just bad luck but you still got outs.

Hand #1: At lower stakes against a fish this usually signifies a lower pocket pair, they decided to limp it, but once you gave them some action they felt like "gamb00ling". So if this was lower stakes i could definately justify the call as you have odds for a coinflip. However against someone who is "tight and passive preflop" i'm not so sure i can find a call here. Also why the huge re-raise preflop? i like to re-raise to something like 50 or 60, at 600nl cause i find that people no longer give you credit for AA/KK when you re-raise big.

Hand #2: He probably thinks you are on over cards. The only thing that scares me is his kinda weak half pot bet on the flop (most maniacs bet much more) but i don't really know this guys betting patterns so i can't really say for sure. In general though i;d probably call against a maniac who thinks i'm a maniac.

Yes, I feel my reraise preflop was kinda iffy on hand one. I was making it a huge pot with AK out of position. My grasp of the hand didn't take into account my shitty position.

I would also like to point out he was UTG+1, not UTG. This I though basically sealed the deal that he was gamb0ling for a big pot.

-'rilla

People slow play their aces alot more up there, and its not because they are fish. I've seen people limp aces, and i've also had half my stack trapped when someone just called my raise when they had AA. So just because he was UTG +1 it doesn't eliminate AA from the picture.

Originally Posted by Bmxicle

People slow play their aces alot more up there, and its not because they are fish. I've seen people limp aces, and i've also had half my stack trapped when someone just called my raise when they had AA. So just because he was UTG +1 it doesn't eliminate AA from the picture.

I havent experienced that at all. The calling yes, and the LP limping. But limping behind an UTG limper is very new to me.

-'rilla

ok actually yeah i guess you are right, i haven't experienced that either, i've just experienced people doing weird crap w/ AA.

hehe

POKERSTARS GAME #1922551875: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2005/06/18 - 02:06:53 (ET)
Table 'Landi' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Bmxicle ($396 in chips)
Seat 2: Takeover1 ($441.45 in chips)
Seat 3: lobojiji ($390 in chips)
Seat 4: Lotsa Leaks ($400 in chips)
Seat 5: Soupdog ($260.50 in chips)
Seat 6: 1music man ($448.05 in chips)
Seat 7: DarCards ($317.30 in chips)
Seat 8: cyril214 ($558.60 in chips)
Seat 9: The Liar ($392 in chips)
Bmxicle: posts small blind $2
Takeover1: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bmxicle [Kd Ad]
lobojiji: folds
Lotsa Leaks: folds
Soupdog: calls $4
1music man: calls $4
DarCards: folds
cyril214: raises $4 to $8
The Liar: folds
Bmxicle: raises $18 to $26
Takeover1: folds
Soupdog: calls $22
1music man: calls $22
cyril214: raises $124 to $150
1music man said, "lol"
Bmxicle: raises $246 to $396 and is all-in
Soupdog: folds
1music man: folds
cyril214: calls $246
*** FLOP *** [8d Jh 2c]
*** TURN *** [8d Jh 2c] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [8d Jh 2c 9h] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bmxicle: shows [Kd Ad] (high card Ace)
cyril214: shows [Ah 2s] (a pair of Deuces)
cyril214 collected $845 from pot
cyril214 is sitting out
cyril214 said, "yes"
cyril214 has returned
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $848 | Rake $3
Board [8d Jh 2c 9h Ts]
Seat 1: Bmxicle (small blind) showed [Kd Ad] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: Takeover1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: lobojiji folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Lotsa Leaks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Soupdog folded before Flop
Seat 6: 1music man folded before Flop
Seat 7: DarCards folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: cyril214 showed [Ah 2s] and won ($845) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 9: The Liar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Tight table, I've got AKo in the BB. UTG and UTG +1 limp, both are pretty tight and passive preflop but can definitly open up a can of something wicked. Late mp raises to 20. Folds to me and I raise to 100 (Hows it look? I raised becuase I couldn't put him on AA or KK becuase it's the normal raise with two limpers infront. Worries about QQ/JJ and trying to outflop but AQ, KQ and AK real possibilities.)

Out of position postflop, pushing preflop makes your decisions for the rest of the hand much easier.

Hand 1: UTG+1 had KK. I only posted it for comments on my reraise from the BB.

Hand 2: I believe my fold was wrong since my op is capable of this with overs and a flush draw, which is what I feel he now had. Though, if I called, it would be very - EV to get sucked out on since I would probably only tilt. And it's this fact that leads me to believe I'm unfit for 3/6 at this time.

-'rilla

hand 1: limp-push? that has AA/KK written all over it. QQ (and worse) does nottttt make that move. fold asap.

your out of position preflop raise is good, however. by raising oop, youre repping a hand much stronger than AK and can probably get much to fold.


hand 2: dont worry about a past hand too much. people dont play against an opp the same way twice because hes 'oh so predictable' at those stakes.

i guess he has a set and the fold is fine. even a flush draw w/ 2 overs is a favorite. not really a suckout - and if you fear tilt, get away from the hand.

just curious, is max buy-in for 3/6 $300 or $600?

2nd hand, I'd have bet the flop for sure. If I check raised like you did, I'd still probably call as well. Its kind of strange to lay down an overpair on the flop to a maniac in a spot like this, and considering the money already in the pot, you certainly had big odds to call if he did have a flush draw and overs (even though its nearly 50/50).

Originally Posted by journey075

hand 1: limp-push? that has AA/KK written all over it. QQ (and worse) does nottttt make that move. fold asap.

your out of position preflop raise is good, however. by raising oop, youre repping a hand much stronger than AK and can probably get much to fold.

It's not the classic AA/KK limp-push. HE LIMPED BEHIND ANOTHER LIMPER.

-'rilla

I saw someone limp in midposition behind a limper, just call on the flop, and raise the turn unimproved with AA in either a $200 or $500 turbo SNG before. It was very strange.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by journey075

hand 1: limp-push? that has AA/KK written all over it. QQ (and worse) does nottttt make that move. fold asap.

your out of position preflop raise is good, however. by raising oop, youre repping a hand much stronger than AK and can probably get much to fold.

It's not the classic AA/KK limp-push. HE LIMPED BEHIND ANOTHER LIMPER.

-'rilla

help me understand why this is different...

is it because the utg limp signifies too much strength?

Um, its majorly different. After limpers, people rarely limp along with monsters. People still do may do it, so it shouldn't be ruled out, but its much less likely.

That hand I mentioned above is the one time I can think of someone doing it (outside of a rebuy period with a maniac like me shoving every hand), out of god knows how many hours I've played.

Originally Posted by journey075

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by journey075

hand 1: limp-push? that has AA/KK written all over it. QQ (and worse) does nottttt make that move. fold asap.

your out of position preflop raise is good, however. by raising oop, youre repping a hand much stronger than AK and can probably get much to fold.

It's not the classic AA/KK limp-push. HE LIMPED BEHIND ANOTHER LIMPER.

-'rilla

help me understand why this is different...

is it because the utg limp signifies too much strength?

As the second limper, he basically opens the door for most hands to try and limp in as well. His tactic has gone from playing a powerhouse hand to pushing preflop if he gets the chance OR making a set.

It's very rare for a hand to be played this way and this is the first time I've seen it.

-'rilla

i never really thought about that...

i kinda just grouped all ep limp-pushes into the AA/KK category. thanks for clearing that up michael/rilla.

sweet you are playing 3/6 again

rilla played poker wtf?

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stake me for 3/6? i played goot.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

stake me for 3/6? i played goot.

25nl is your lot fish :P