A few hands for review

Hi there,

I'm probably new to most of you guys. I've started a thread in the beginners forum about 2nd pair hands, but that has been my only posts since now.

I'll do an introduction in de community forum asap when I have the time. I'm at work right now, emailed some HH's from yesterday to it, I hope I get some good feedback on them.

In short, I have been playing poker for about 5 months now, play 25NL at Stars atm, bankrolled 600+, taking shots at 50NL. I've read about a ton of threads here on FTR by now and they have helped me A LOT. So at least thanks for all of them!

Next hands are from yesterdays short session. First hand is my second hand at the table, last hand is about 15 minutes later. Reads aren't that important, let's say opponents are the usual weak/(tight)/passive ones at Stars 25NL.

Hand 1: I know i should probably fold this PF especially OOP (maybe RR), but hmm..I just felt good. Is leading the flop any good? Or is c/c better?

PokerStars Game #9267854972: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/05 - 17:04:13 (ET)
Table 'Dorothea V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gnotorch ($24.85 in chips)
Seat 2: minSim ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Fredd20 ($25.80 in chips)
Seat 5: gormancn ($18.70 in chips)
Seat 6: piets ($21.60 in chips)
minSim: posts small blind $0.10
Fredd20: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to minSim [Kh Qs]
gormancn: folds
piets: calls $0.25
gnotorch: folds
minSim: calls $0.15
Fredd20: raises $1.25 to $1.50
piets: calls $1.25
minSim: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ad 8h]
minSim: bets $3
Fredd20: folds
piets: folds


Hand 2: I have a OESFD at the turn there. Is this standard?

PokerStars Game #9267877891: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/05 - 17:05:47 (ET)
Table 'Dorothea V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: gnotorch ($24.85 in chips)
Seat 2: minSim ($28.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Fredd20 ($24.20 in chips)
Seat 5: gormancn ($14.45 in chips)
Seat 6: piets ($24.05 in chips)
gormancn: posts small blind $0.10
piets: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to minSim [Ts 9s]
gnotorch: folds
minSim: raises $0.75 to $1
Fredd20: calls $1
gormancn: folds
piets: folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 2s 8h]
minSim: bets $2
Fredd20: calls $2
*** TURN *** [4s 2s 8h] [7h]
minSim: checks
Fredd20: bets $4
minSim: raises $21.55 to $25.55 and is all-in
maglan joins the table at seat #4
Fredd20: folds
minSim collected $13.65 from pot
minSim: doesn't show hand


Hand 3: Is this weak?

PokerStars Game #9267955363: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/05 - 17:11:03 (ET)
Table 'Dorothea V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: gnotorch ($21.80 in chips)
Seat 2: minSim ($38.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Fredd20 ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: maglan ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 5: gormancn ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 6: piets ($21.30 in chips)
gnotorch: posts small blind $0.10
minSim: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to minSim [2h 2c]
Fredd20: folds
maglan: calls $0.25
gormancn: raises $0.75 to $1
piets: folds
gnotorch: raises $2 to $3
minSim: folds


Hand 4: Should I value bet on the river?

PokerStars Game #9268045920: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/05 - 17:17:10 (ET)
Table 'Dorothea V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: gnotorch ($26.20 in chips)
Seat 2: minSim ($40.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Fredd20 ($23.15 in chips)
Seat 4: maglan ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 5: gormancn ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 6: piets ($19.10 in chips)
maglan: posts small blind $0.10
gormancn: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to minSim [Td Kd]
piets: folds
gnotorch: folds
minSim: raises $0.75 to $1
Fredd20: folds
maglan: folds
gormancn: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Qh 6c Tc]
gormancn: bets $2
minSim: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Qh 6c Tc] [8s]
gormancn: checks
minSim: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qh 6c Tc 8s] [4s]
gormancn: checks
minSim: checks

any stats or reads would help and don´t post results please.


#1 i don´t like limp calling easily dominated hands oop. i´d raise this in the first spot. if villian is raising wide prf with limpers, donking into him might be okay, against unknown i´d c/c or c/f here. You´re building a big pot with a mediocre hand oop, and you´re in trouble, if you get called or raised.

#2 meh.what do you expect villian to call with? against A8 you´re virtually flipping having 47%pe, against a set you´re a 2.5:1 dog, against overpairs you´re only marginal better than a 2:1 dog. call, get your chips in, when you hit.

#3 small pp´s are not a question of weakness, but of implied odds. effective stack here is roughly $17, you have to pay $3 to play for it, laying you less than 6:1 and your set hits only 1 time out of 8. Since this isn´t even a HU situation and you can´t be sure, that the initial raiser doesn´t 4bet/push, instafold this.

#4 no. if you suspect him him to hold XXcc, make him pay for drawing on turn, don´t bet the river.

Thanks for the feedback!

Sorry about the reads. I don't have PT yet, I'm planning on buying it next week as I know it has a lot of advantages. And I'll delete the results next time.

Hand 1: I agree prf.
I can see c/c on flop being a good play, but I think the turn and river play will be more difficult. On turn you'll be c/f I guess? What if blank turn goes c/c, c/f river?
On this particular draw heavy flops I like to know a bit more where I stand with my 2nd pair, that's why I donked it. A call or raise would mean villain having me beat very often I think, so turn play would be a lot easier.
c/f on flop is weak? or is that just to protect yourself for putting more money in on the next streets?

Hand 2: I was in a lot of hands that time, c-betting a lot, so I figured it could well be he was floating me; I thought he could have about any 2 cards.
I was counting the flush and straigt draws as outs, so I had 15 with only the river to come. The flush outs could have been non-live outs though.
With a nice pot already I figured I could take the shot as a semi bluff, not really hating to be called.
I THINK it's pretty marginal. If I just call it's hard to stack him on the river I think, especially when he does only have TP...even more when my flush completed.

I'd like to hear your thoughts though, I was pretty confident with that move, but maybe I'm just wrong.

Hand 3: You're right. Didn't even watch the effective stacks at time (I normally do), that's a fault. If effective stacks are #35, calling is correct?

Hand 4: I agree.
Do you think a Q would bet the turn? (pot control?)