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    Default Flopped top two and turned fd

    v is 24/12/1.8

    whats optimal if his range includes fds, sds, str8s TT, combos, and heavily discounted QQ/KK/AA

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    Button ($34.30)
    SB ($10.40)
    BB ($68)
    Hero (UTG) ($92.40)
    MP ($76.35)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K
    Hero bets $2, MP calls $2, 3 folds

    Flop: ($4.75) 10, K, Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, MP raises to $8, Hero calls $5

    Turn: ($20.75) 7(2 players)
    Hero bets ???
  2. #2
    I'd make it $22 on the flop and ship the turn unless I think I can check/raise blank turn cards.
  3. #3
    Would draws and combos shove over the flop 3bet 150 bb deep?
  4. #4
    In any case - I lead turn for 15 and he shoved over. Do we ship it?
  5. #5
    man you have 13 outs even vs the nuts, plus YOU can't ever have the nuts...
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  6. #6
    Turn: ($20.75) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $15, MP raises to $66.35 (All-In),

    Wow i just did some stuff in pstove and i guess i underestimated my equity

    Board: Ts Kh Qh 7s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 37.253% 33.79% 03.46% 684 70.00 { KsQs }
    Hand 1: 62.747% 59.29% 03.46% 1200 70.00 { KK-QQ, TT, AJs, KQs, KTs, QTs, JhTh, J9s, AJo, KQo, J9o }


    Which pretty much gives me just enough odds to call this down.
  7. #7
    zomg u folded?
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  8. #8
    hell no - i just hesitated a bit
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    why on earth did we lead the turn? we are pretty far behind this guys range and should be looking to check call and play a river
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  10. #10
    ok this is kinda what I was looking for but was not sure. I expected some people to say get the money in when we have most equity, but I just didnt understand when we are ever ahead of him enough.

    nutsinho - would you 3bet/ship flop?
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    check shoving the turn isn t that bad either but seriously I can't really figure out why you lead the turn?
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  12. #12
    Well, I really didn't want to give a free card to draws, but is it that so much more of his range already has us beat that giving a free card actually helps us more him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by humanfugitive
    nutsinho - would you 3bet/ship flop?

    i said i thought that we were pretty far behind his range. why would you think i would recommend this
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  14. #14
    so I'm assuming you're not looking to get value against part of his range that we do beat ie fds/str8ds?
  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by humanfugitive
    so I'm assuming you're not looking to get value against part of his range that we do beat ie fds/str8ds?
    don t worry about part of his range, worry about the best play vs his entire range
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  16. #16
    Ok similar hand - is this a spot where we are looking for a cheap showdown

    v is 21/16

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    SB ($50)
    BB ($48)
    Hero (UTG) ($65.55)
    MP ($60.30)
    CO ($122.90)
    Button ($50)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
    Hero bets $2, MP calls $2, 4 folds

    Flop: ($4.75) K, 2, 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, MP raises to $9, Hero calls $6

    Turn: ($22.75) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $11, Hero calls $11

    River: ($44.75) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $23, Hero folds
  17. #17
    i usually shove this flop because we have combo draws so fking crushed and the nut redraw to boot.

    i like your turn and river lines as played at these stakes
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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