Fold A high flush to potential SF?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($95.50)
SB ($95.50)
Hero ($107.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, A.
1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2) 6, 5, T (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($4) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1.

River: ($6) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $50, Hero ???????


this seems like he wants to be paid off. Played like 5 hands HU so far after table broke in 6 max. Anyone fold here? Can he really make this raise with a King? My hand just looks like an A or K calling turn for flush.


who folds?

caaaaaaalllllll

yeah i call. this is a ridiculous raise. although if he does have a SF then that raise makes sense if he can put you on NF.

I fold this without even thinking twice....come on, when does anybody ever do this with the K high flush? never so you can completely discount that, so it's either a bluff or a str8 flush and people arn't likely to try and bluff you off the hand you are representing (the nut flush)

call. fold if it was a push.

why do people say call in this situation? is it because you assign villain a high bluff% or do you think he will overvalue Kd/Qd?

this is a really easy fold

Fold

sick spot, im the biggest calling station you will ever find, and i cant even find a reason to make a call here.

if the pot was bloated more on eariler streets i would consider calling but this seems like the easiest fold of all time.

im not folding

Hey? Where's the re-raise all in button?

to anyone who routinely calls here readless...is there any particular reason why, or do you just like to pay any amount of money to see the other players hole cards regardless of his likely range and frequencies of holdings because 'gat dam im not gonna let that sumbitch bluff me'

Really not folding.
But in the context of our whole game, i dont think it really matters does it?
I mean, how often do we lose flush vs str8 flush?
And why wouldn't villain play this with Kd???? I would anyways.

LOL @ calling here

I'm trying to argue calling vs folding is pretty neutral EV, either way I dont think it really matters.
Villain is playing Kd exactly the same way

Originally Posted by Taxi

Really not folding.
But in the context of our whole game, i dont think it really matters does it?
I mean, how often do we lose flush vs str8 flush?
And why wouldn't villain play this with Kd???? I would anyways.

why not? how often do you lose with As Qd to Td 8d on a Qh 8h 4c 3c 8s board? every situation matters

and i dont mean to be mean, but anyone who thinks bet/overbet 3betting with the Kd for value is a good play here is legally retarded.

lol nutsinho, you're always right

why not? how often do you lose with As Qd to Td 8d on a Qh 8h 4c 3c 8s board? every situation matters

That is a much more important situation. If I decide to slow play my TPTK I'm gonna get spanked on the river and lose a shit load. If I play my TPTK as usual, am gonna get most of my money in good.
How you play the above situation is crucial, but how you play top flush vs (potential) str8 flush is pretty irrelevent, since its not gonna come up very often.
But I accept playing Kd like that is pretty daft, I didn't really take note of the overbet size, but jesus:

and i dont mean to be mean, but anyone who thinks bet/overbet 3betting with the Kd for value is a good play here is legally retarded

I dont think this is the place for that really, totally out of order.

Originally Posted by Taxi

why not? how often do you lose with As Qd to Td 8d on a Qh 8h 4c 3c 8s board? every situation matters

How you play the above situation is crucial, but how you play top flush vs (potential) str8 flush is pretty irrelevent, since its not gonna come up very often.

and i dont mean to be mean, but anyone who thinks bet/overbet 3betting with the Kd for value is a good play here is legally retarded

I dont think this is the place for that really, totally out of order.

Taxi, it comes across that you get into a situation and then revert to some type of mental poker dictionary that tells you what the right play is without any thought or reasoning.

And this situation is not irrelevant at all. It's hugely relevant when you look at the bigger picture, DUCY?

Disconnect protect.

obv coming over here with the Kd wouldnt be smart but we are up against some random 100nl player who obv isnt good just based on how he played this hand.

Ash, why did you edit my post in your reply?? Your edit only had the stupid stuff I said and not the reasonable stuff.

Anyway, playing like this with the is pretty daft, I've admitted that.

But Ash:

And this situation is not irrelevant at all. It's hugely relevant when you look at the bigger picture, DUCY?

Sorry I dont really CY
(am not being patronising, I want to know why, so I can be a better player)

its a limped pot HU, dude.

how ironic would it be if he had ?

LoL!

What i'm trying to argue is its pretty much neutral EV between calling and folding.

And if villain had then its just a cooler.

Its not HU.

Originally Posted by Taxi

Ash, why did you edit my post in your reply?? Your edit only had the stupid stuff I said and not the reasonable stuff.

Anyway, playing like this with the is pretty daft, I've admitted that.

But Ash:

And this situation is not irrelevant at all. It's hugely relevant when you look at the bigger picture, DUCY?

Sorry I dont really CY
(am not being patronising, I want to know why, so I can be a better player)

I edited out the reasonable stuff because I wasn't commenting on it.

It's relevant because this situation isn't an individual situation in some respects - we have a good hand, it looks like our opponent may have a better hand and we're not sure what to do. Working out the correct play requires fundamental knowledge and this knowledge carries throughout all situations in all forms of poker - stuff like calling ranges, what our opponent thinks we have, etc. (That's just a couple of random things, far from a definitive list)

The very good poker players in this thread (I'm reasonable, but not Very Good) aren't commenting based on experience of being in exactly this situation, they're commenting based on applying fundamental knowledge and theory to the situation.

Hope that clears things up a bit

i doubt this opponet is thinking about what we have. it can definetly be i have a Kd omg bet.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

this is a really easy fold

This should have been the end of the discussion.

Originally Posted by Taxi

I mean, how often do we lose flush vs str8 flush?

when there's an open ended straight flush draw on the board?

the end.

where's the raise preflop option?

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Originally Posted by nutsinho

this is a really easy fold

This should have been the end of the discussion.

dont think so but w/e

I'm with taxi on this one, it doesn't matter much either way.

Open folding a royal flush isn't a huge mistake in the long run (where "long" means lifetime).

I call because calling is fun.

Originally Posted by ChrisTheFish

Disconnect protect.

LOL.

Fold imo.

i'd call if i was a station

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Originally Posted by nutsinho

this is a really easy fold

This should have been the end of the discussion.

I folded, but wasn't sure if I was being nitty. Thanks for your comments.

foooooooooooooooooooooooooooold

I think you really have to know what kind of player he is. If he has a history or not of making big raise bluffs. The $1 lead in bet is very odd every street then the shove... If this is a table that is breaking down, and he is a bluffer then I would call. But the safe play is obviously to fold since there is more downside then there is upside.

This kind of stuff happens to me a lot when a table is breaking down, and after I fold and the guy wins he leaves the table... And I think immediately he just wanted to bluff big before he left... Jamie Gold Style...

wow people want to call?